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To: rabscuttle385; All

Well .. I hate to burst your bubble .. but Ron Paul IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE - HE’S A LIBERTARIAN.

They may have a few things they agree on - BUT CONSERVATIVE IS CONSERVATIVE - not partially Libertarian.

Ron Paul was more closely aligned with the Clinton’s foreign policy - visit all the tyrants - get drunk with them - have them sign secret deals with the U.S. (without congressional approval) and then - hear no evil, see no evil, and do nothing when attacked .. because war is never allowed. I’ve heard Ron Paul espouse that exact policy, saying, “War is never the answer”. Reality says - WAR IS SOMETIMES THE ONLY ANSWER - not the choice you want to make, but the choice YOU HAVE TO MAKE - TO SAVE CIVILIZATION.

I can’t fathom a more dangerous OR STUPID foreign policy THAN TO DO NOTHING - IT BOUGHT US 9/11. If we aren’t able as a nation to operate pre-emptively on offense - and wait only to be attacked - and then still do nothing .. there will only be more and more 9/11’s.


17 posted on 11/30/2008 11:39:08 AM PST by CyberAnt (Michael Yon: "The U.S. military is the most respected institution in Iraq.")
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To: CyberAnt
Ron Paul was more closely aligned with the Clinton’s foreign policy...

Paul was in favor of bombing Kosovo?

19 posted on 11/30/2008 11:41:26 AM PST by Gary Johnson in 2012 (Gary Johnson for President in 2012.)
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To: CyberAnt; djsherin; Bokababe; dcwusmc; roamer_1
I can’t fathom a more dangerous OR STUPID foreign policy THAN TO DO NOTHING - IT BOUGHT US 9/11.

The most dangerous foreign (or economic) policy is that of doing something for the sake of doing something.

If we aren’t able as a nation to operate pre-emptively on offense - and wait only to be attacked - and then still do nothing .. there will only be more and more 9/11’s.

So basically, you're advocating starting wars in order to defend the U.S. from war?

Smooth. Very smooth.

28 posted on 11/30/2008 11:51:49 AM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: CyberAnt

I hate to burst your bubble, but Ronald Reagan had good things to say about libertarianism. What’s your problem? Of do you just like to lose.

If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals — if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.”

From Interview with President Reagan, published in Reason July 1975

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan


82 posted on 11/30/2008 2:17:29 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: CyberAnt
but Ron Paul IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE - HE’S A LIBERTARIAN

Paul has been married for over 50 years to the same woman, is strongly pro-life, and is a devout Christian.

How does that not make him a conservative?

140 posted on 11/30/2008 8:02:42 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: CyberAnt

He’s pretty conservative. 100% prolife voting record. Several other supposedly “conservative” candidates didn’t have that.

Yes, he opposed the Iraq war. No, he has never favored “secret deals” or been Clintonian. That is an base smear.

Dr. Paul’s conservatism is more like the Conservatism of the pre-WW2 era. He opposes things like the Fed and Social Security that many so-called Conservatives of today have no problem with. And yes he opposes most overseas military adventures.

Can you really say with a straight face that the war in Iraq 1) could not have been avoided and 2) has been good for America? I think it’s a stretch.

The entire GOP establishment has lost touch with first principles (the GOP had traditionally been the party of non-intervention, leaving out the Civil War, of course) and spent all our energy defending Bush’s war.

NEWS FLASH: When I voted for Bush he was explicitly promising “No Nation Building”. Remember that? Now he has his wife on TV (MTP, yesterday) explaining how important it is to build schools and eduate people in outlying provinces of Afghanistan. WHY? WHY WITH MY DOLLARS??

For THIS we voted Republican? Geeze - the Donk’s do a bang-up job of going all over the world with Bono giving away our money. Why do we need the GOP if that is the plan?

Cost of the Wars to date: nearly $1 Trillion dollars.

In abandoning their opposition to these unconstitutional programs they have turned the GOP into the “Democrat Lite”
party. Same taste, less filling.

Huckabee -now he REALLY is not a Conservative, he’s a pro-life liberal.


203 posted on 12/01/2008 11:46:13 AM PST by Jack Black (ping can't be a tag line, can it?)
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To: CyberAnt

He’s pretty conservative. 100% prolife voting record. Several other supposedly “conservative” candidates didn’t have that.

Yes, he opposed the Iraq war. No, he has never favored “secret deals” or been Clintonian. That is an base smear.

Dr. Paul’s conservatism is more like the Conservatism of the pre-WW2 era. He opposes things like the Fed and Social Security that many so-called Conservatives of today have no problem with. And yes he opposes most overseas military adventures.

Can you really say with a straight face that the war in Iraq 1) could not have been avoided and 2) has been good for America? I think it’s a stretch.

The entire GOP establishment has lost touch with first principles (the GOP had traditionally been the party of non-intervention, leaving out the Civil War, of course) and spent all our energy defending Bush’s war.

NEWS FLASH: When I voted for Bush he was explicitly promising “No Nation Building”. Remember that? Now he has his wife on TV (MTP, yesterday) explaining how important it is to build schools and eduate people in outlying provinces of Afghanistan. WHY? WHY WITH MY DOLLARS??

For THIS we voted Republican? Geeze - the Donk’s do a bang-up job of going all over the world with Bono giving away our money. Why do we need the GOP if that is the plan?

Cost of the Wars to date: nearly $1 Trillion dollars.

In abandoning their opposition to these unconstitutional programs they have turned the GOP into the “Democrat Lite”
party. Same taste, less filling.

Huckabee -now he REALLY is not a Conservative, he’s a pro-life liberal.


204 posted on 12/01/2008 11:46:13 AM PST by Jack Black (ping can't be a tag line, can it?)
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To: CyberAnt

He’s pretty conservative. 100% prolife voting record. Several other supposedly “conservative” candidates didn’t have that.

Yes, he opposed the Iraq war. No, he has never favored “secret deals” or been Clintonian. That is an base smear.

Dr. Paul’s conservatism is more like the Conservatism of the pre-WW2 era. He opposes things like the Fed and Social Security that many so-called Conservatives of today have no problem with. And yes he opposes most overseas military adventures.

Can you really say with a straight face that the war in Iraq 1) could not have been avoided and 2) has been good for America? I think it’s a stretch.

The entire GOP establishment has lost touch with first principles (the GOP had traditionally been the party of non-intervention, leaving out the Civil War, of course) and spent all our energy defending Bush’s war.

NEWS FLASH: When I voted for Bush he was explicitly promising “No Nation Building”. Remember that? Now he has his wife on TV (MTP, yesterday) explaining how important it is to build schools and eduate people in outlying provinces of Afghanistan. WHY? WHY WITH MY DOLLARS??

For THIS we voted Republican? Geeze - the Donk’s do a bang-up job of going all over the world with Bono giving away our money. Why do we need the GOP if that is the plan?

Cost of the Wars to date: nearly $1 Trillion dollars.

In abandoning their opposition to these unconstitutional programs they have turned the GOP into the “Democrat Lite”
party. Same taste, less filling.

Huckabee -now he REALLY is not a Conservative, he’s a pro-life liberal.


205 posted on 12/01/2008 11:46:30 AM PST by Jack Black (ping can't be a tag line, can it?)
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