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Another thought about the `Where was Obama born?' dispute
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2008/12/a-final-point-about-the-where-was-obama-born-dispute.html ^ | December 3, 2008 | Eric Zorn

Posted on 12/03/2008 8:24:39 AM PST by ckilmer

Originally posted: December 3, 2008 Another thought about the `Where was Obama born?' dispute In today's story, Tax activist's ad challenges Obama's eligibility for office The Tribune examines allegations about president-elect's 'natural born citizen' status , my colleagues Sara Olkon and James Janega methodically take apart the arguments presented by Robert L. Schulz, chairman of We The People Foundation, in Tribune ads this week. Here's one passage • Schulz says that "U.S. law in effect in 1961 [the year of Obama's birth] denied citizenship to any child born in Kenya if the father was Kenyan and the mother was not yet 19 years of age." If a child is born ... to an American parent outside the U.S., the law at the time would require the U.S. citizen parent to be at least 19, which Obama's mother was not. The provisions of this law were subsequently loosened and made retroactive for government employees serving abroad and their families. It appears that this would not apply to Obama's mother. Olkon and Janega point out that "the matter would seem to be academic: Hawaiian officials vouch for Obama's birth certificate," but even if it were to turn out that Obama's mother was actually in Kenya when she gave birth to him, the age requirement was and is absurd and unjustifiable; easily remedied, if necessary, with the passage of a retroactive law smilar to the law that applied to "government employees serving abroad and their families." Schultz is deluded if he thinks the Congress -- even those in Congress who opposed Obama -- or the courts would stand by and allow to unfold the crisis that would ensue if Obama were denied the presidency on a technicality.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; obama; obamacon; obamatransitionfile; obamatruthfile; stbc; thekenyan
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1 posted on 12/03/2008 8:24:39 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer
Originally posted: December 3, 2008

Another thought about the `Where was Obama born?' dispute

In today's story, Tax activist's ad challenges Obama's eligibility for office The Tribune examines allegations about president-elect's 'natural born citizen' status , my colleagues Sara Olkon and James Janega methodically take apart the arguments presented by Robert L. Schulz, chairman of We The People Foundation, in Tribune ads this week.

Here's one passage

• Schulz says that "U.S. law in effect in 1961 [the year of Obama's birth] denied citizenship to any child born in Kenya if the father was Kenyan and the mother was not yet 19 years of age."

If a child is born ... to an American parent outside the U.S., the law at the time would require the U.S. citizen parent to be at least 19, which Obama's mother was not. The provisions of this law were subsequently loosened and made retroactive for government employees serving abroad and their families. It appears that this would not apply to Obama's mother.

Olkon and Janega point out that "the matter would seem to be academic: Hawaiian officials vouch for Obama's birth certificate," but even if it were to turn out that Obama's mother was actually in Kenya when she gave birth to him, the age requirement was and is absurd and unjustifiable; easily remedied, if necessary, with the passage of a retroactive law smilar to the law that applied to "government employees serving abroad and their families."

Schultz is deluded if he thinks the Congress -- even those in Congress who opposed Obama -- or the courts would stand by and allow to unfold the crisis that would ensue if Obama were denied the presidency on a technicality.

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2 posted on 12/03/2008 8:25:50 AM PST by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: ckilmer

“Obama were denied the presidency on a technicality”???? Is this how we view our Constitution? Just a “Technicality”? Our Constitution is our life blood and those that violate it.....know it. Just a “Technicality”??? I don’t think so.


3 posted on 12/03/2008 8:29:11 AM PST by RC2 (Where is Obama's Birth Certifacte?)
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To: ckilmer

osama is illegimate and illegal. he does not deserve a free pass because he is black and a RAT.


4 posted on 12/03/2008 8:31:22 AM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: LucyT

Ping!


5 posted on 12/03/2008 8:32:31 AM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: ckilmer

Be patient. The press is on a learning curve. The fact that they are making the “even if...” arguments reveals internal doubt as to Obama’s birthplace. Any modicum of respect for truth will lead them to discredit the Annenberg/Factcheck sources soon enough. Us freepers have been on to this for months. It takes time for a lib media to acknowledge it’s been duped. They need a face-saving exit strategy. And here it is: “Okay, he wasn’t born, but we can retroactively fix this little problem in Congress.”
No doubt this line was fed to them from Obama campaign. Get ready for the admission.


6 posted on 12/03/2008 8:32:42 AM PST by jackofhearts (Unko bachana kaun chahega (Who will want to save them)?”)
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To: ckilmer; RC2

I don’t see what is so technical here. If you are a natural born citizen you are eligible to be the President. If you are NOT a natural born citizen you are NOT eligible to be the President. Thus far Obama has not proved that he is a natural born citizen.


7 posted on 12/03/2008 8:35:42 AM PST by Enterprise (No Presidency for illegal aliens from Kenya.)
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To: jackofhearts

Man that blog is on fire. There are some good patriots over there, obviously some FReepers on board. Go over and join the fight. The Obots are just cursing, calling people racists and their normal crap - no logical response to the legitimate question of why doesn’t BHO show his birth certificate?


8 posted on 12/03/2008 8:36:44 AM PST by Free America52 (I just want it to be the way it always has been.)
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To: ckilmer
but even if it were to turn out that Obama's mother was actually in Kenya when she gave birth to him, the age requirement was and is absurd and unjustifiable; easily remedied, if necessary, with the passage of a retroactive law smilar to the law that applied to "government employees serving abroad and their families."

Seems to me they're trying to cover for him because they know something's amiss. They also are trying to confuse people into equating citizenship with natural born citizenship.

9 posted on 12/03/2008 8:36:58 AM PST by TheThinker (It is the natural tendency of government to gravitate towards tyranny.)
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To: RC2
Joe Biden, President of the United States because of a little technicality...
10 posted on 12/03/2008 8:37:16 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: RC2

I am trying to spread the word about a fellow Freeper’s web site and the Freedom March Organization. Joe Thunder started the organization and the link is below. Perhaps you have heard the Joe Thunder program on Plains Radio Network. Please visit and read about the mission of the Freedom March Organization. Perhaps you might want to join and help in any way you can. I am helping by spreading the word about events that will take place. Right now we are focusing on showing support for Leo Donofrio, Cort Wrotnowski, and Alan Keyes in their efforts to bring the truth to light.

Joe Thunder has organized a Freedom March for this coming Friday in Washington D.C. to bring attention to the important decision to by made by our honorable Supreme Court Justices. Please read about the details at the Freedom March link below. Perhaps you know folks who live in the D.C. area who would want to join other Freepers and Patriots to show support for Leo Donofrio and Cort Wrotnowski in hopes there cases will be heard.

Please spread the word to Freepers you know and anyone on your email list you know would want to help.
Thanks so much! seekthetruth

http://freedommarch.org/Home_Page.html


11 posted on 12/03/2008 8:37:40 AM PST by seekthetruth
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To: RC2

Obama would be illegitimate President. A constitutional crisis would ensue. But maybe thats exactly what these Rats want so they can Rewrite the entire constitution.


12 posted on 12/03/2008 8:38:45 AM PST by tomnbeverly (Doing time on the Obama Plantation.)
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To: Dixie Yooper
Joe Biden, President of the United States because of a little technicality...

It wouldn't be Biden if done before the electoral college votes. They would choose from the next three with the highest number of votes.
13 posted on 12/03/2008 8:40:02 AM PST by aruanan
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To: RC2

I couldn’t agree more but I have heard a number of people say they would be concerned that America would burn if BO would be disqualified, that is why I think the fix is in and nothing will be done.


14 posted on 12/03/2008 8:40:08 AM PST by PORD (People...Of Right Do)
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To: jackofhearts

Bingo.

Now the question becomes the legal wrangling of ex post facto remedies.


15 posted on 12/03/2008 8:40:15 AM PST by hsrazorback1 (Seek truth.)
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To: ckilmer

The courts prevented Eldridge Cleaver from running for president and removed his name from the ballot because of the technicality that he was 34 and not 35 years of age. This is far more important than that.


16 posted on 12/03/2008 8:42:11 AM PST by aruanan
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To: RC2

If Barrack Obama does not have valid proof that he is a natural born citizen, a constitutional crisis cannot be avoided. It will be messy and nasty. Sole responsibility for that crisis will fall upon the media for failure to conduct themselves responsibly during the campaign when the issue first surfaced. It was the media’s responsibility to call on Barrack to resolve the issue before a constitutional crisis arose.

The supreme court can kick the can down the road, but the issue will not fade. It would then be brought out by the defense in a criminal case questioning the validity of a law signed by President Obama. Suppresion of the rights of a defendent to valid evidence in their defense would be a symptom of the crisis. Prevention could only be practiced prior to the election. If Barrack has valid evidence, there is no constitutional crisis. If he lacks that evidence there is already a crisis, the public just doesn’t see it yet.


17 posted on 12/03/2008 8:42:27 AM PST by CMAC51
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To: ckilmer

Weren’t Obama’s mama and Obama,sr married at the time Obama was born...so wouldn’t that make Obama’s Mama a Kenyan Citizen too???


18 posted on 12/03/2008 8:42:47 AM PST by Jessica2677
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To: ckilmer

The author’s dismissal of the law regarding citizenship is glib and unsatisfying. if that’s all they have to cling to, then maybe Obama is in more trouble than most pople realize.

I think paying 45%+ of my income in taxes is “absurd and unjustifiable;” maybe Congress can pass a “retroactive law” about that too and give me back my money. I could retire on it, and I’m a relatively young man!


19 posted on 12/03/2008 8:43:44 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: jackofhearts

I am beginning to this is true. But it doesn’t change the fact that the self-proclaimed constitutional law professor KNEW he was not eligible....

I am afraid there is going to be some retroactive law to let him in...and I dont think that is what our Founding fathers had in mind.


20 posted on 12/03/2008 8:46:11 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: RC2

Yeah boy. That damned Constitution. Nothing but a whole bunch of lousy “technicalities!” Like the freedom of speech and right to bear arms crap. Technicalities! No wonder the US has been such a weak, poverty ridden, unaccomplished nation for the past 200 years.


21 posted on 12/03/2008 8:50:02 AM PST by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: RummyChick

Our miltary must step in and uphold the COnstitution and fulfill their oath they took


22 posted on 12/03/2008 8:53:11 AM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: ckilmer

Hmmmm.


23 posted on 12/03/2008 8:53:47 AM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: PORD

Only those parts of the United States that need to be burned will burn! The majority of the U.S. will be defended.


24 posted on 12/03/2008 8:53:50 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: ckilmer
IMHO, The Constitution says that the president must be "loyal in lineage" as well as himself. Allegiance to this country and this country alone is necessary.

Raised as a Muslim by a Muslim in a foreign country disqualifies him.

25 posted on 12/03/2008 8:56:39 AM PST by Sacajaweau (I'm planting corn...Have to feed my car...)
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To: PORD

In my lifetime, three Presidents have been either

1. assassinated
2. resigned
3. impeached

I’m still here.


26 posted on 12/03/2008 8:57:12 AM PST by thesetruths
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To: aruanan
It wouldn't be Biden if done before the electoral college votes. They would choose from the next three with the highest number of votes.

That would be Biden, McCain, and Palin. The VPs are on the ballot and receive votes.

27 posted on 12/03/2008 8:57:35 AM PST by Ingtar (For the first time in my adult life, I am NOT proud of America.)
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To: ckilmer

The Trib seems to have taken down the “comments” link. Wonder what that’s all about?


28 posted on 12/03/2008 8:59:06 AM PST by Larry - Moe and Curly
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To: ckilmer

One reason the media, Congress and even conservative journalists would like this to “go away” is the fear that 52% of the American public do not know we even have a CONSTITUTION - much less that there is a “natural born citizen” requirement for POTUS eligibility.

The 150million numbchucks who voted for Obama - would storm Washington DC if the truth ever surfaced on NBC,CBS,ABC or Fox and they would blame George Bush!


29 posted on 12/03/2008 9:00:12 AM PST by sodpoodle (Man studies evolution to understand His creation.)
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To: CMAC51

The media need only look back to WWII when Germany controlled them. They will either stand up and report the news or do exactly what Washington tells them. This will be another violation of our Constitution when considering “Freedom of The Press”.

Obama has already pre-written all the speeches for his people. If you saw the speeches by Hillary, Biden and now Richardson....they were all written for them. Obama himself, can’t give a talk without it being pre-written....the question is who is writing his speeches?


30 posted on 12/03/2008 9:01:47 AM PST by RC2 (Where is Obama's Birth Certifacte?)
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To: ckilmer

Don’t you think that Zero already planted the appropriate papers during his late October “visit to his sick grandmother” that lasted for all of 2 hours?


31 posted on 12/03/2008 9:02:15 AM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: ckilmer

Eric Zorn is a flaming liberal. This doesn’t surprise me.


32 posted on 12/03/2008 9:03:30 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna!)
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To: Red_Devil 232

It seems Detroit will burn on inauguration night if Obama is sworn in and it will burn if he is disqualified! Either way it will burn, but in one of the those scenarios the constitution doesn’t go up in flames!


33 posted on 12/03/2008 9:04:30 AM PST by DaveyB (Those who are merciful to the cruel will be cruel to the merciful.)
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To: RC2

I don’t think that the technicality that he references is the Constitution. The technicality is that in 1961, under US Immigration law, a US citizen mother, who gives birth to a child in another country, and is 19 years old, can give her child Natural-born US citizenship status, while the same woman in the same circumstance, who is 18 years and 9 months old, as Obama’s mother was, would have a child who does not qualify for US citizenship. In reality, this was a very stupid law.

However, it was the law, and no matter how stupid or technical the author believes it to be, it is still legally binding. Truthfully, I believe that BO was born in Hawaii. If he turns out to have been born outside the US, I would think the dishonesty factor, rather than the citizenship factor would be a bigger issue for the American people.


34 posted on 12/03/2008 9:04:31 AM PST by ga medic
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To: ckilmer

Is there a way that we could determine that Stanley Ann Dunham was ever in Kenya? And, if so, when?

It seems to me, that if we could, that would go a long way to answering all of our questions.


35 posted on 12/03/2008 9:05:12 AM PST by Welcome2thejungle
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To: ckilmer
A retroactive law!!!! Why bother having any laws for the Rich, Powerful and Famous?

We really are not equal under the law. Sad. It has all been a big illusion.

36 posted on 12/03/2008 9:08:14 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: ga medic

If he was born in Hawaii........let him prove it to the American people. Let the people see the Birth Certificate. Let the people see all of his records. Without doing this, half of our nation will never accept him....regardless of what the media or politicians say.


37 posted on 12/03/2008 9:11:34 AM PST by RC2 (Where is Obama's Birth Certifacte?)
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To: RaceBannon
Our miltary must step in and uphold the COnstitution and fulfill their oath they took

Don't even think about going there.

38 posted on 12/03/2008 9:19:55 AM PST by Grut
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To: ckilmer

It seems to me, the burden of proof is on Hussein. If he won’t prove that he’s a naturalized citizen of this country, he should not be allowed to hold office. And screw the fear of riots. Thats the lesser of the evils.


39 posted on 12/03/2008 9:37:12 AM PST by Sig Sauer P220 (The White House may have changed, but there's still the Cracker Barrel.)
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To: TheThinker
That don't mean diddley-squat,the MSM will never run with the story. I am sure that if the press were to demand the facts they would appear, at least some form of truth would come out. But, letting this question hang will be the Albatross over Obama’s Head.
40 posted on 12/03/2008 9:40:24 AM PST by ANGGAPO (Leyte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: RaceBannon
Our miltary must step in and uphold the COnstitution and fulfill their oath they took

Yes, I am sure they will. On on January 20, 2009 at 12:01 P.M. EST right after Chief Justice Roberts swears Obama into the office, the members of the military will have their new Commander in Chief.

41 posted on 12/03/2008 9:45:19 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Dixie Yooper
Joe Biden, President of the United States because of a little technicality...

Who would he pick as his Vice P?

Yup...

and then it is just a short car ride with a Kennedy to... President !!!

42 posted on 12/03/2008 9:49:07 AM PST by Pikachu_Dad
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To: Grut
What about all of the folks reading this that took the oath when they went into the military. There is no such thing as being un-oathed when you get out.
43 posted on 12/03/2008 9:52:38 AM PST by ANGGAPO (Leyte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: RC2

Nobody did anything when JFK got into office same game for omama.


44 posted on 12/03/2008 9:53:33 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: ckilmer
Is the start of explaining why he should be president even if under the constitution he can not be, if he were born in Kenya. I can not fathom any other reason for this article.

Something is afoot. I think the truth is catching up with Obama.

45 posted on 12/03/2008 9:54:06 AM PST by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: jackofhearts

***Be patient. The press is on a learning curve.***

You have to believe that there’s a Woodward & Bernstein out there somewhere - with the contacts, resources and curiosity to find the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.........

Even Drudge hasn’t touched this blue dress!!!!


46 posted on 12/03/2008 9:56:41 AM PST by sodpoodle (Man studies evolution to understand His creation.)
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To: ckilmer

The SCOTUS meets Fri. to go out and look at the side of the barn, it used to say natural born, but if the pigs have been out there again, there’s no telling what it says now.


47 posted on 12/03/2008 10:01:13 AM PST by Waco (understand the meaning of illegal???)
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To: ckilmer

“Technicality” is a strange word to describe one of the few constitutional REQUIREMENTS for the position.

To the author: Take a long walk off a short pier!


48 posted on 12/03/2008 10:12:56 AM PST by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: toldyou; Calpernia; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; Polarik; ...
Thank you, told you. Technicality? Have they forgotten our Constitution? It's the glue that holds US together when times are tough.

if Obama were denied the presidency on a technicality.

Ping.

49 posted on 12/03/2008 10:16:25 AM PST by LucyT
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To: seekthetruth

I looked at the site. It’s a bit confusing - are they marching on D.C. both weekends? It says Dec. 5 and also Dec. 17.


50 posted on 12/03/2008 10:33:10 AM PST by Marmolade
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