What was the gravitational environment of the early universe?
A single meson can simultaneously be 2.22 microseconds old and over 10 microseconds old, depending on where you put the clock.
Posted on 12/03/2008 10:38:25 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
My part of the RATE initiative, in collaboration with fellow RATE researchers Steve Austin, John Baumgardner, and Andrew Snelling, was to explain the remarkable retention of helium observed in radioactive crystals in granitic rocks. I showed that the retention is evidence that the usual radioactivity-based billion-year ages for such rocks are grossly wrong, and that the rocks are only 6000 (± 2000) years old. Even before I finished the project, critics began sniping at it. The critics are usually atheists or professing Christians with various old-earth views. They are very disturbed about the project’s strong support of the young biblical age of the earth. Table 1 lists their criticisms and my responses. In September, 2008, another such criticism appeared on a ‘progressive creation’ website, and I’ll discuss it below.
The criticisms show the attackers think the research is good enough to be a threat to them. But it has been only recently that I’ve seen God’s purpose in the attacks. He apparently uses the criticisms (and creationist answers) to help believers evaluate our research, just as an assayer uses acid (and a bright light) to show there is gold in a sample...
(Excerpt) Read more at creationontheweb.com ...
Ping!
And it’s flat too!
Bah, humbug!
Perhaps to a Temple of Darwin fanatic. They’ll believe almost anything, as long as it excludes God.
It’s my birthday, too. I’ve always has a soft spot for the bishop for his recognition of my importance to the universe.
You should read the whole paper...quite interesting!
PS the plus or minus 2000 yrs is as close as science can get at the moment. Of you want a more precise measurement, read the Bible :o)
What was the gravitational environment of the early universe?
A single meson can simultaneously be 2.22 microseconds old and over 10 microseconds old, depending on where you put the clock.
You’re trying to have it both ways.
No, he’s saying that current science is too inadequate to reveal the truth of God’s creation (as has historically been the case),
there’s no “both ways” to that.
Hmmm.
The fact that you criticize me is proof that my work is good.
Yeah, I can go with that...
NOT
Hmmm... seems someone is making an analogy between a human and the Creator, either elevating a politician to the level of someone we can’t possibly understand because of their superiority (leftist thinking), or discounting the omnipotence of the Creator.
Either way, you’re not on firm ground.
See Dr. Humphey’s book “Starlight and Time”, and Dr. Hartnett’s book, “Starlight, Time and the New Physics.” If nothing else, it would be a great place to start to begin getting answers to your relativistic questions—GGG
I have genes older than that, and even some of the stories in the Bible can be cross referenced with pictoglyphs in Finland and Russia that indicate a FAR OLDER time for just those stories.
Are you saying that the earth could be four billion “man” years old but also be 6000 “God” years old?
From God’s perspective, 6 days.
From our perspective (in a universe expanding near the speed of light), 4 billion years.
There’s now discrepancy, only misunderstanding on our part.
You bet.
I believe that science cannot disprove God. Of course God exists, and science is simply the study of the mechanisms that God created.
However certain creationists, the same ones who know that Jesus taught using parables, assert that Genesis cannot be anything like a parable.
So now they’re stuck with a 6000 year old Earth and have to use a lot of really bad science to back their assertion.
Then the atheists come along and are more than happy to knock down this strawman. Willing to take part in a logical fallacy, they claim that this is proof that God doesn’t exist.
Both sides are really sad to watch.
Correct. The following link shows that young/old universe depends on your relativistic frame of reference:
I would say that if science can narrow down the age of the earth to 6,000 yrs (plus or minus 2,000 yrs), that would be VERY powerful evidence in favor of the Bible’s historical account of creation.
I’d be curious for you to give me a short list of current Creationist “strawmen” that the atheists think they have knocked down.
The reaction to things that don’t fit the assumed worldview is to: demonize the person discussing it; ridicule the person discussing it; if it’s an academic, fire them; blame the data; ignore the data.
Can’t have anything tossing the apple cart - too many profs have spent their careers writing hundreds of thousands of papers from one point of view, can’t change now, and make them look idiotic for throwing away 30-40 years on the wrong ideas. They can’t be wrong. They’re just too smart and know so much.
These nutcases help Hollywood libs to ridicule Christians.
"IF" pigs could fly ...
It’s this kink of junk science that gives otherwise well-meaning Christians a bad name. There is no evidence in the Bible or the universe to indicate that the earth is 6,000 years old.
It’s people like you who make witnessing difficult for science professionals like me.
Sorry to be so tough but you need to hear the truth and stay away from this nonsense.
BTW...you forgot to add me to your ping list!
HBD!
Yes, but if you are already coming from the view the earth is really old, you’re going to interpret the data to fit your worldview, and you’ll rationalize and ignore any problems that exist (ie dating method problems, being able to ‘age’ items through other means, like petrying wood in a couple hours or days, ignoring data and methods that go against your worldview assumptions).
Just wait a few minutes. Atheist Freepers should be along at any minute to engage in fallacy.
I have also heard that the current rate of decay of the magnetic field around the earth also is indicative the earth is not millions of years old. If the rate of decay has been what it has been since we’ve been measuring it, and you go back thousands of years, it couldn’t have ever been that strong without other problems arising.
Yeah, we MUST be misinterpreting the bible, and not misinterpreting the physical evidence.
Yep, that is pretty much how they operate.
2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
It seems to go both ways...
We can agree on one thing, though - God is outside our concept of “time”.
Ad hoc comment!
Then boasting that YOU are the professional...an implied ad hominum...all others are not as qualified to comment as you...the self-proclaimed "professional".
shallow, transparent, a bit egotistic...but predictable!
And “junk science” by your definition would be...?
...all the “kink” that disagrees with your...um...professionalism?
Earth is 6000 years plus or minus a few billion years. Ultimately it is of zero importance to your salvation. It never came up in the answer to “What must I do to be saved?”
I see you don't know your science ...
another geochronometer
Fascinating! Thanks for posting this. It’s a great article and worthy of debate. I especially enjoy that criticisms are included for discussion. Before I can hit “Post” on this message, however, I can all but guarantee the hardcore evolutionist attack squad will already be in force on this one. I’ve been amazed this last election cycle at how many people can so easily see past the “faith in Obama” calling, but are so purposefully self-blinded into a “faith in Darwin”. It’s interesting ...
Are you saying that the magnetic field will disappear shortly due to the rapid decay rate?
I read the article. To suggest that external pressure would have no effect on helium diffusion is preposterous.
Take a glass of Sprite and put it into a pressure chamber at (I believe) around 6 times atmospheric pressure. The fizzing will stop.
Not only that, but you’ve totally missed the fact that diffusion is not a one-way process — helium diffuses into zircon crystals at more or less the same rate that it exits.
Please, you’re not doing Christianity a favor. God created the universe and we can see his truth in it — “the heavens declare His glory.” All truth is God’s truth. Don’t try to force cherry-picked data to fit a timeframe that does not even exist in Genesis.
For starters, I would suggest that you study the various meanings of “yom” and “olam.”
The fact of creation and our subsequent fall are intimately tied to the salvation message.
You mean like Jesus Camp?
Not nutcases. Just opportunists taking in the $$ the easy way by scamming the vulnerable.
I have degrees in chemistry and chemical engineering.
Do you have a science background? If not, then I think that I have a lot more credibility than you.
That’s not an ad hominem attack — it’s a fact. If you are a professional accountant, then I would pay more attention to what you have to say about accounting because my understanding of accounting is limited.
Get tired beating the dead horse of HIV/AID?
Humphreys is the fabulist that said the earth was once a giant ball of water. See below.
“An Interview with Dr. D. Russell Humphreys
“Author: Doug Sharp
Subject: Apologetics
Date: 1/20/2002
“RH: Yes. Back in 1983 I published a paper in the Creation Research Society Quarterly I think it was the December issue of that year, “The Creation of the Earth’s Magnetic Field.” My jumping off point was a verse in 2 Pet. 3, where it says that the earth was formed out of water and by means of water. And that said to me that since the earth is not water now, God must have transformed the water into all the other stuff we see around us: iron, silicon, but I thought of a way that He could make the earth’s magnetic field while it was still water. If He had lined up all the protons you know the two hydrogen atoms, the two nuclei that are protons; if He created the water with the two protons all pointing in the same direction and all the water molecules, all its protons, all pointing in the same direction, then you would get a magnetic field which is just about the right amount you needed if the earth is 6,000 years old, and some decay has taken place. So that struck me as kind of interesting. If you’re God and you’re going to make a magnetic field, here’s a real easy way to do it. When you create the water molecules, create the protons all pointing in the same direction.”
Well at least that’s something different from the discredited HIV doesn’t cause AIDS posts.
The magnetic field on the earth decays, then flips poles. There is plenty of scientific evidence indicating that this has occurred many, many times in the past. The sun does the same thing.
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