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To: TChris

For the gazillionth time, ‘natural born’ is defined as ‘having a status or condition from birth’ and nowhere in US Law or the Constitution is it redefined. It doesn’t matter if Obama had or has citizenships in a hundred other countries, so long as he had US citizenship at birth. While multi citizenship might be undesirable it is not a Constitutional disqualifier. There is no ‘citizen at birth but not natural born’ class of citizen because ‘citizen at birth’ or ‘having citizenship at birth’ is the same as ‘natural born citizen’. The term ‘natural born’ came into the language 200 years before the COTUS was written. If another definition had been created by the time the COTUS was written or even shortly thereafter, you can be certain it would have made it into the dictionary by now, another 200 years down the road.


31 posted on 12/04/2008 12:45:57 AM PST by calenel (The Democratic Party is a Criminal Enterprise. It is the Socialist Mafia.)
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To: calenel
There is no ‘citizen at birth but not natural born’ class of citizen because ‘citizen at birth’ or ‘having citizenship at birth’ is the same as ‘natural born citizen’.

I encourage you to keep bringing this interpretation of Natural Born citizenship up to the group. I'm not educated sufficiently on the historical definitions of the phrase, or the exact references to it by The Founders, but there are some folks on the board who are very well versed in this who might have a lively conversation with you about it.

From what I've been able to gather in my readings on the subject, the Framers of the Constitution wanted to ensure that the office of President was closed to any who did not have a complete and "natural" affinity and loyalty to this country, and no other, either through location of birth, or through parentage. It was considered that only a person born on US soil, to two American parents would have a natural, un-divided loyalty to America.

So goes the theory behind the construction of that phrasing.

38 posted on 12/04/2008 12:56:15 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: calenel

That is a gross misinterpretation of not only the Constitution itself, but also of the uniform naturalization laws established by the first Congress. You are posting as fact, a complete fabrication and apparently for the gazillionth time. There is a book called “The Citizenship Flowchart” by Robert James McWhirter. I think it may be a good place to start reading. The POTUS cannot serve two nations.


82 posted on 12/04/2008 2:37:41 AM PST by so_real
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To: calenel

“It doesn’t matter if Obama had or has citizenships in a hundred other countries, so long as he had US citizenship at birth.”

These folks would beg to differ with you on that:

http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html


221 posted on 12/04/2008 7:23:23 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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