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To: Cvengr
I wonder how many other candidates might have campaigned for the office had merely citizenship been the minimal requirement. The present Governor of California comes to mind.

We've got a few different classes of citizen here. Arnold is a "made" citizen, in that he is naturalized. Literally "made natural".

Then, there are people who merely qualify as a US citizen. These are people, who through the circumstance of their birth, are US citizens, but not Natural Born Citizens, such as American children born of parents in foreign countries, and not on the soil of a US embassy, or military base. I've got two brothers who fall into that category.

Then, you've got children born to one US parent, and one foreign parent on US soil, as is the purported case with Obama. Donofrio's case contends that he cannot be a Natural Born Citizen because of the citizenship of his father, who was a Kenyan national and subject of Great Britain.

Obama's personal case is even tougher, because under the citizenship laws at the time, his mother could not have conveyed US citizenship to him, because she had not lived for a period of ten years in the United States, five of them being after the age of 14. She was three months shy of her 19th birthday when Obama was born.

The hard-core Obots don't give a damn about any of our citizenship laws, or the US Constitution. They want their Messiah, no matter what laws have to be broken to anoint him Emperor.

49 posted on 12/04/2008 1:08:27 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

***the citizenship of his father, who was a Kenyan national and subject of Great Britain.***

Which just proves the point about divided loyalty which the Founding Fathers were trying to make. Given the stories floating around about Obama’s visit to Kenya and his meddling in their election, it would certainly seem that he has divided loyalties. Not to mention the fact of all his relatives still in Kenya.


135 posted on 12/04/2008 5:13:37 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Blessed Martyrs of Compiegne, Pray for Us!)
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To: Windflier
These are people, who through the circumstance of their birth, are US citizens, but not Natural Born Citizens, such as American children born of parents in foreign countries, and not on the soil of a US embassy, or military base.

American bases and embassies are not US territory. That is simply an urban myth. If they were American territory, the host countries could not kick us out of them without leading to a war. Being born on a military base or embassy does not, in of itself, grant citizenship.

But, the children of American citizens born overseas, whether on a military base or not, are American citizens from birth and qualify to serve as President under the COTUS.

You, and Donofrio, are creating artificial distinctions that do no exist in either the COTUS or Federal law. There are only two classes of American citizen: naturalized (who cannot serve as President) and citizens from birth (who can).

211 posted on 12/04/2008 7:10:49 AM PST by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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To: Windflier; Cvengr
"Then, you've got children born to one US parent, and one foreign parent on US soil, as is the purported case with Obama. Donofrio's case contends that he cannot be a Natural Born Citizen because of the citizenship of his father, who was a Kenyan national and subject of Great Britain."

That would apply to my son. He is 'native born' because he was born in the US, but not "natural born" because his dad is Canadian. He is not eligible for President. I am "natural born" citizen because both of my parents were born on American soil, as was I.

Maybe I'll run next time. :-)

252 posted on 12/04/2008 8:44:50 AM PST by sneakers
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To: Windflier
Obama's personal case is even tougher, because under the citizenship laws at the time, his mother could not have conveyed US citizenship to him, because she had not lived for a period of ten years in the United States, five of them being after the age of 14. She was three months shy of her 19th birthday when Obama was born.

The age of Obama's mother only matters if Little Barack was born overseas. If this case conceeds that he was born in Hawaii, then her age is meaningless.

352 posted on 12/04/2008 1:10:32 PM PST by Kleon
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To: Windflier
Then, you've got children born to one US parent, and one foreign parent on US soil

We have no proof that he was born on US soil. We have what is alleged to be a certified Hawaiian COLB printed on a laser printer sometime around 2007. Where is the original vault copy? Where is the attending physician's signature? If the attending physician is still alive, where is his attestation that that his signature?

437 posted on 12/04/2008 3:43:03 PM PST by Campion
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