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‘When Does Human Life Begin?’ - Even Earlier Than Many Suppose
NCR ^ | December 7 - 13, 2008 | Susan E. Wills

Posted on 12/04/2008 1:37:22 PM PST by NYer

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1 posted on 12/04/2008 1:37:22 PM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 12/04/2008 1:37:53 PM PST by NYer ("Run from places of sin as from a plague." - St. John Climacus)
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To: NYer

If life does not begin at conception, why was birth control invented?


3 posted on 12/04/2008 1:41:52 PM PST by llevrok (Feral Conservative)
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To: NYer

Uh...the sperm is alive. So is the ovum. It seems to me that life began before fertilization. Maybe it’s been a continuum since our first living ancestor—a virus perhaps—or maybe Adam.


4 posted on 12/04/2008 1:44:07 PM PST by Savage Beast ("Your grandchildren will live under communism." -Nikita Krushchev)
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To: Savage Beast

thats funny because I was clicking in here to type just what you did, so if what you say is true, then to “kill” does not mean to “take a life” since you might say the parents are still alive.... very interesting.


5 posted on 12/04/2008 1:46:09 PM PST by Troll_House_Cookies (Ironically, Chancellor Obama's first re-education camp will be in Alaska.)
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To: NYer
"....They arbitrarily push forward the starting point to implantation or viability, or even birth and beyond, to accommodate their approval of abortifacient drugs and devices, in vitro fertilization (IVF) procedures, lethal embryo research (including embryonic stem-cell research), chemical and surgical abortion, and eugenic infanticide."

First, they are amoral and choose to make money off the ending of human life. Others must do this as a way to deny that the life they are ending is "human" not a puppy, kitty or even "tissue."

How else do they hope to keep the idea in people's heads (especially teens) that what they are doing is NOT ending life but "preventing unwanted pregnancies" and thus eliminating "difficult situations."

6 posted on 12/04/2008 1:46:09 PM PST by zerosix
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To: NYer
I am marvelously and wonderfully made.
7 posted on 12/04/2008 1:47:17 PM PST by CobraJet
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To: Savage Beast
Uh...the sperm is alive. So is the ovum.

True. A liver is also alive, and so is a pancreas. However, none of those will develop into something more than the original: a genetically complete, unique, and maturing human person. The combination of sperm and egg will, under the right conditions.

8 posted on 12/04/2008 1:48:02 PM PST by Tax-chick ("And the LORD alone will be exalted in that day." (Is. 2)
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To: NYer

Read for later


9 posted on 12/04/2008 1:48:02 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: zerosix

What do lawyers call it? Something about “negligence”, maybe “reckless negligence”, to shoot at movement in the brush when you don’t know if it’s a human being or a deer.

This is the same - if you don’t know when it is a human being, you have no right to kill it.


10 posted on 12/04/2008 1:51:16 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Tax-chick

Life is ongoing. A new human being begins at conception.


11 posted on 12/04/2008 1:52:00 PM PST by yarddog
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12 posted on 12/04/2008 1:52:30 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: Tax-chick

Good answer. Good answer.


13 posted on 12/04/2008 1:52:42 PM PST by ladtx ( "Never miss a good chance to shut up." - - Will Rogers)
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To: MrB
Wonderful addition to my comment.

The amoral, greedy and willfully ignorant choose to play ostrich so that they do NOT need to come face to face with the truth!

14 posted on 12/04/2008 1:53:37 PM PST by zerosix
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To: NYer

At the beginning. Besides, the pro-aborts don’t care about when life begins as is shown in their advocacy of partial-birth abortion. They only care about when life ends, and it is whenever they say it ends according to them.


15 posted on 12/04/2008 1:54:41 PM PST by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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My life began as a twinkle in my daddy’s eye....

...at least that’s what mom told me.


16 posted on 12/04/2008 1:55:46 PM PST by colorcountry (To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: yarddog

Yes, that’s a good way to put it. You can transplant a liver into another person, but it doesn’t make the recipient a different person, neither the donor nor the pre-donation patient. He’s the same person with a replacement liver. And yet the liver was alive, and continues to be alive.

Makes a person want to find her bedroom slippers and pour a glass of wine :-).


17 posted on 12/04/2008 1:56:12 PM PST by Tax-chick ("And the LORD alone will be exalted in that day." (Is. 2)
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To: Savage Beast
Uh...the sperm is alive. So is the ovum.

And haircuts are murder.

You have the right to remain silent.

18 posted on 12/04/2008 2:01:21 PM PST by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: yarddog
Life is ongoing. A new human being begins at conception.

I had an interesting discussion about this with a co-worker of mine one time. He's one of these libertarian types, you know, fiscally conservative but socially liberal. He kept insisting that believing that life begins at conception is a "religious argument". I explained to him that it is simply illogical - religion having everything or nothing to do with the argument - to think that life begins anywhere BUT conception, since from conception on the development of the child is a continuum on which there is no place at which a stage is abruptly passed whereby you can markedly say that something has happened to the growing child which would say "life began at this point". The only place where something like this happens is at conception, and this argument includes the act of giving birth. One MUST accept that life begins at conception, unless one wishes to be entirely arbitrary and question-begging.

He tried to argue with me that life begins at the point where the child is viable to live on their own. I pointed out to him that, depending on how you define that, this could mean children all the way up to 12-18 months old aren't really "alive" since they're pretty much incapable of fending for themselves even in the sense of finding food on a table to feed themselves with. He got a little red in the face at this point.

19 posted on 12/04/2008 2:02:19 PM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: ladtx

Thank you. It’s a point worth bringing up, I think, that we’re talking about not just “life,” not just “living tissue that’s part of a human body,” but the origination of a unique human being who is neither the father nor the mother. As I said in another post, that isn’t the result of any other transfer or combination of human tissue.


20 posted on 12/04/2008 2:10:21 PM PST by Tax-chick ("And the LORD alone will be exalted in that day." (Is. 2)
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