Obama's Birth Announcement

The Schnitt Show (www.schnittshow.com) ^ | 12/4/08 | Unknown

[Vendome]

That does create to crisis as the birth marginalizes his claims to a very illegitmate claim and does so loudly.

Not quite the same as saying “I am releasing my BC to Factcheck and linking to it as a legitimate document”.

So... were you lying when you said you born in Hawaii and now you show evidence to the contrary. Doesn’t matter as there are other technicalities /sarc.

The truth is you are liar, an invented persona with a bogus background and have comitted many frauds including a felonious acceptance of college loans intended for a foreign national, which you either are, or are not.

[Seven plus One]

Theres a thread for everyone here, 24/7 they just keep on rollin'. I have developed an interest in this topic, there are legitimate questions relating to the inconsistencies in obama's biography as well as his ham-handed way of addressing the issue. If the mere interest in this topic makes me a wacko, oh well. That particular line is lately being repeated with eerie consistency across the consumer media. If you are afraid that someone's failure to conform with the given mass opinion will be embarassing to you, then I say you're simply on the wrong forum. This place is critical of the mass culture and its slugs, not conformist.

[justiceseeker93]

I've seen that one before, and was told it was from the Advertiser of August 13 (nine days after the birth - closer to ten if you take into account the time differential between Kenya and Hawaii). Again, do you know the date of the Star Bulletin(?) edition in which that ad allegedly appeared?

[Vendome]

So what, you gonna toss this in with his Title 9 entitlement to obtain the position of President of The United States and call it a fair advancement of an under represented group, based on race, and “That”, should be a just result of affirmative action.

And, let’s not start with with the race baiting. Couldn’t care less if he is black or a legitmate candidate such as Hillary(of course I was not enamored with her to say the least, but she would be legitament and well vetted)

[Sharrukin]

I got it from this website, which is saying sometime between the 14th and 16th of August.

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/

Source of annoucement: In posting that annoucement, the user stated as follows:

“Here’s a copy I made today of the August 14th (could have been the 15th or 16th), 1961 Star Bulletin newspaper showing Obama’s birth announcement stored on microfilm at the Hawaii State Library in Honolulu. I had to enlarge it to the point of losing the top of the page with the date and day in order to make it readable. The microfilm is stored in the basement of the library and was in the box marked Star Bulletin Aug 1, 1961-Aug 16, 1961. ...”

See here (requires registration).

10/27 Update: The Star-Bulletin prints birth announcements directly from the Health Department records. See here (”Each Sunday, the Star-Bulletin publishes Oahu vital statistics for marriage licenses and birth certificates filed with the state Department of Health’s Vital Statistics System.”)

We are awaiting written confirmation, but have received oral confirmation that this practice was in place in 1961.

That’s all I know. Hope it helps.

[little jeremiah]

Seems that a lot of “conservatives” are more concerned with other people thinking that they’re kooks than with the possibility of 0bama being ineligible to be pres.

Caring about the opinions of others is worse than foolish.

[Seven plus One]

...It is a meaningless statement, which brings up the question as to why it was even made.

It's a strawman. It allows them to argue without addressing the argument, counting on the public's vague understanding of the issue. It's been mis-interpreted by a few on this thread, and used as a (bogus) counterpoint.

[Kevmo]

There’s too many n00bs and CoLB trolls to deal with. I’m not even going to bother giving this thread the certifigate keyword.

[Arkinsaw]

So we shouldn't at least fight over this matter? You want people who deeply care about this nation to go away and curl up in the fetal position and wait for stimulus checks huh. All Obama has to do is produce a valid BC. I would still loathe him but at least I'll be comfortable he's a natural-born citizen. It's not like we're asking him to give us signed documents, sworn testimony, and dozens of other accounts of whether or not he served in the TANG as the liberals have done to Bush.

You may not have read that I said I don't mind it being explored in court. But that I think its foolish for anyone here to actually believe that the courts will bar Barack Obama from being President no matter what comes out of it.

And as far as emulating what the Democrats have done to Bush.....I have never found it a wise policy to seek to emulate what the Democrats have done.

[pissant]

Lotsa noob troll cucarachas. Aided and abetted by the limpwrist wing of the GOP and FR, mind you

[Scarchin]

I don’t think you understand my position or what I’ve said.

[pissant]

ROFL

[Arkinsaw]

Dude, he's not even black in the American sense. He is literally a biracial African.

And does that matter in regard to how he is marketed and perceived?

[CanaGuy]

I agree with some of those above. Why is the newspaper birth announcement of such poor quality? Why does it look like it has been copied a hundred times? Why would anyone want to copy it? Does this make anyone else wonder if it is a plant made by someone who thinks that an old newspaper should look as though it’s been copied a lot? Something’s not right with that article.

[XR7]

Obama's birth certificate: Final chapter

By Amy Hollyfield

SUMMARY: Since we published Obama's birth certificate, questions about its authenticity have been frequent and fierce. After reviewing the evidence, we're confident in our rulings.

It started as a whisper, a trickle of nagging doubt.

“As a concerned citizen, I’m wondering if there isn’t something fishy going on with the Obama certificate.”

“I have serious doubts about the purported 'birth certificate’ you were sent.”

“Something doesn’t smell right.”

Soon, e-mails and blog posts were flying. As the pace quickened, the tone sharpened.

“You should be apologizing ... for your misinformation regarding BO bogus birth certificate, that you claimed was genuine!”

At full throttle, the accusations are explosive and unrelenting, the writers emboldened by the anonymity and reach of the Internet.

And you can’t help but ask: How do you prove something to people who come to the facts believing, out of fear or hatred or maybe just partisanship, that they’re being tricked?

• • •

Sen. Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a document PolitiFact.com had sought for months. Countless chain e-mails, seeking to paint him as a secret Muslim, speculated that his full name included Muhammed (or Mohammed). Some said he is not an American citizen.

As a fact-checking news Web site, we went to extensive lengths to sort out the truth. We got a copy of his 1992 marriage certificate from the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics. His driver’s license record from the Illinois Secretary of State’s office. His registration and disciplinary record with the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois. Not to mention all of his property records.

Not one of these documents shows a Muhammed (or Mohammed) in Obama's name. They all read "Barack H. Obama" or "Barack Hussein Obama."

The ultimate document we sought was Obama’s birth certificate. Unlike the other documents, Hawaii birth certificates aren’t public record. Only family members can request copies, so when the campaign declined to give us one, we were stalled.

On June 13, 2008, Obama’s campaign finally released a copy, while launching a fact-check Web site of its own, Fightthesmears.com. The site is a direct response to allegations about Obama that won’t go away: He’s Muslim. He took the oath of office on a Koran. He refuses to say the Pledge of Allegiance. PolitiFact has researched all of these accusations and none of them are true.

When the birth certificate arrived from the Obama campaign it confirmed his name as the other documents already showed it. Still, we took an extra step: We e-mailed it to the Hawaii Department of Health, which maintains such records, to ask if it was real.

“It’s a valid Hawaii state birth certificate,” spokesman Janice Okubo told us.

Then the firestorm started.

• Where is the embossed seal and the registrar’s signature?

• Comparing it to other Hawaii birth certificates, the color shade is different.

• Isn’t the date stamp bleeding through the back of the document “June 2007?” (Odd since it was supposedly released in June 2008.)

• There’s no crease from being folded and mailed.

• It’s clearly Photoshopped and a wholesale fraud.

• • •

At PolitiFact.com, we’re all about original sources. We don’t take anyone at their word or take the reporting of other media organizations as proof. We go to the heart of the story, the source of the truth — original, corroborating documents.

When the official documents were questioned, we went looking for more answers. We circled back to the Department of Health, had a newsroom colleague bring in her own Hawaii birth certificate to see if it looks the same (it’s identical). But every answer triggered more questions.

And soon enough, after going to every length possible to confirm the birth certificate’s authenticity, you start asking, what is reasonable here?

Because if this document is forged, then they all are.

If this document is forged, a U.S. senator and his presidential campaign have perpetrated a vast, long-term fraud. They have done it with conspiring officials at the Hawaii Department of Health, the Cook County (Ill.) Bureau of Vital Statistics, the Illinois Secretary of State’s office, the Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois and many other government agencies.

Sounds like a Vince Flynn novel.

• • •

Peter Goelz knows a little something about conspiracy theorists.

He was managing director of the National Transportation Safety Board in 1996 when TWA Flight 800 crashed off Long Island, killing 230 people. While the NTSB’s investigation found no evidence of sabotage or terrorism, the Internet was stocked with insistent accusations.

“We were right at the beginning of this Internet lunacy,” Goelz said in an interview with PolitiFact. “And there were a variety of crackpot Web sites and Web commentators that generated all sorts of rumors. The principle one was that TWA in fact was shot down by an errant Navy missile in ... a live-fire exercise off the Hamptons.”

Nine miles off Long Island, in the middle of summer. And then a full-scale coverup by the Navy and all the sailors involved.

“I am sure that we spent another $10-million, perhaps $20-million, out of a $50-million investigation, to just knock down and put to bed these kinds of rumors, these insidious rumors,” Goelz said. “We felt like we had to answer every question because it was such a public and dreadful and confounding event.”

Goelz, who is now a communications consultant in Washington, D.C., says the Internet has given a platform to anyone to say anything. And a way to find others who want to hear it.

“Online, they can be almost anything,” he said. “They can be the crusading investigators that they always wanted to be.”

• • •

The Hawaii Department of Health receives about a dozen e-mail inquiries a day about Obama’s birth certificate, spokesman Okubo said.

“I guess the big issue that’s being raised is the lack of an embossed seal and a signature,” Okubo said, pointing out that in Hawaii, both those things are on the back of the document. “Because they scanned the front … you wouldn’t see those things.”

Okubo says she got a copy of her own birth certificate last year and it is identical to the Obama one we received.

And about the copy we e-mailed her for verification? “When we looked at that image you guys sent us, our registrar, he thought he could see pieces of the embossed image through it.”

Still, she acknowledges: “I don’t know that it’s possible for us to even say beyond a doubt what the image on the site represents.”

• • •

And there’s the rub. It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible.

But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over.

There is not one shred of evidence to disprove PolitiFact’s conclusion that the candidate’s name is Barack Hussein Obama, or to support allegations that the birth certificate he released isn’t authentic.

And that’s true no matter how many people cling to some hint of doubt and use the Internet to fuel their innate sense of distrust.

[Vendome]

Would you agree that we lost not because of a superior candidate and/or cheating but the that we presented a marginal candidate that had no chance of winning and only had a possible chance when he chose a running mate that engendered excitement and then some Repub's voted, but still not enough. That aside, we lost and should lose to someone who can legitimately hold the seat, such as Hillary. I don't like her as her views are in direct opposition to mine. But, she would be legitimate.

[MHGinTN]

Have you ever wondered why the document was ‘released’ to factcheck, not the national elections committee or the DNC headquarters who are tasked with verifying that the candidate is eligible for the election process? ... And folks wonder why Deaniac has fled the scene!

[Scarchin]

I agree with just about everything you said.

However, I think they fact is that Obama will be President.

Let’s rebuild our party on a solid bedrock of conservatism.

I’m now very involved at the local level.

[Arkinsaw]

There are, however, several folks who have Obama Derangement Syndrome and it’s getting old.

We spent several years obsessed with going after Clinton pretty much exclusively and he ended up with two terms. The Democrats followed suit and spent years obsessively foaming at the mouth about Bush and he ended up with two terms.

I am not at all in favor of spending the next four years harping on Obama to the exclusion of actually rebuilding the party, getting right philosophically, and figuring out how to appeal to voters.

[television is just wrong]

birth announcement is not legal for proving you are a natural born american citizen!