Posted on 12/05/2008 9:52:12 AM PST by pissant
Dec. 5, 2008 | Barack Obama can't be president: He wasn't really born in Hawaii, and the certification of live birth his campaign released is a forgery. He was born in Kenya. Or maybe Indonesia. Or wait, maybe he was born in Hawaii -- but that doesn't matter, since he was also a British citizen at birth because of his father, and you can't be a "natural-born citizen" in that case. (But then, maybe his "father" wasn't really his father; maybe his real dad was an obscure Communist poet. Or Malcolm X.)
You might think these rumors would have died off after Obama produced proof in June that he was, in fact, born in Hawaii to an American citizen, his mother Ann, or after Hawaiian state officials confirmed in October that he was born there. You might think the rumors would have died off after was elected by a comfortable margin. Instead, they've intensified. There have been paid advertisements in the Chicago Tribune questioning the president-elect's birth certificate and eligibility, and one group is raising money to run a similar ad on television. The right-wing Web site WorldNetDaily has been reporting on the issue almost non-stop. Numerous plaintiffs have filed lawsuits in various states. And Friday, the Supreme Court's nine justices will decide whether they want to hear one of those suits, which also contends that John McCain, born in the former Panama Canal Zone, does not meet the Constitution's requirements to hold the presidency.
The people hoping this is a sign the court will agree with them and stop Obama from becoming president are almost certain to be let down. The fact that the case has gone to conference doesn't mean anything about its merits -- the court will also be
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No, I just have reason to believe that Obama is Constitutionally qualified to serve as president.
“I’m more confident in the COLB is a forgery angle and the need for him to produce a vault copy BC.”
Yes, that is the angle the Keyes’ case is taking. Hopefully his case will also make it to the Supreme Court. Time will tell.
Me too.
If, as you say, Obama was born in Hawaii, which was then a State, his parentage doesn’t matter. He’s a US Citizen. The only exceptions are for those not subject to the jurisdiction of the US, for example, born to foreign embassy personnel, born on a foreign warship. Source: 14th Amendment; Immigration and Nationality Act.
This also explains why so many pregnant women from Mexico are desperate to deliver their children in the US.
“The fact that the case has gone to conference doesn’t mean anything about its merits “
This is wishful thinking on Salon’s part. The fact that it has gotten past the first hurdle is important. SC judges just don’t take cases for the fun of it. Now that it is in the system, anything can happen.
As bad as I hate to admit, you are probably correct.
If any government body requires him to show a BC, he will play the race card.
I know that McCain, Michelle, Biden, and Palin have supposedly released their BC, but were they the long forms?
They’ll die as soon as he releases his birth certificate.
“The ONLY conspiracy here is Obama hiding his BC.”
No, that may not be the only conspiracy.
That he is constantly being protected by the courts and Congress may be even a greater and more ominous conspiracy that will affect the entire nation.
If this controversy is not resolved by inauguration time, we’ll know that this country is broken. Not so much by Obama alone, but by his supporters and the courts who act against the welfare of this nation.
“Donofrio’s contention is that Obama was born in Hawaii, but not a natural-born citizen and thus not eligible to become POTUS. Stop with the doubt about the place of Obama’s birth. We accept that Obama was born in Hawaii. Now how do you answer the question that Obama was a natural-born citizen if his father was a British subject at the time?”
That’s my reading on why this one was accepted by the court (and the others rejected.) It goes back to the original meaning of “natural born citizen” as the founders understood it. Born on US soil AND BOTH PARENTS WERE US CITIZENS AT THE TIME OF BIRTH.
Not that it matters what we argue, the court understands the issue. It does get tiring to hear people argue about his birthplace when that isn’t the issue at hand.
Because lots of people don’t want him to be president.
Actually there is even more being hidden. He will not release anything documenting his past. College records, anything he accomplished as a community agitator or medical records; they are all unavailable.
It begs the question. WHY?
The leftnuts are scared by this. Smell the fear, and observe their typical liberal, defense tactic of smearing the opposition. What puzzles me is why so many conservatives are so willing to jump onto the leftnut bandwagon to belittle those who don’t believe Obama and his sycophants. Let this play out. If Obama can figure out a way to come out clean, so be it. If not, let the fun go on. Remember, Obama could settle this in short order. He is the reason it is happening.
Dear Salon:
Please note that if, by some very remote chance, Obama were found ineligible to serve as President, the conspirary theorists on your side of the aisle would never accept that ruling (by, say, the Supreme Court), nor would they ever let it die.
Your point is what, exactly?
That is all.
Neither will curiosity for the secret Coca Cola formula die. But whereas anyone can understand why the Corp. of Atlanta might want to keep it a secret, nobody sane can morally justify a president holding back such an easy and innocent “1+1=2” corroborating piece of paper to the point of hiring expensive law firms, and even worse for a “leader” facing the mistrust of a large swathe of the population.
No way, nowhere, no how is it justifiable.
That is why I say, okay, they let you in on a technicality? Fine. Take your oath, but please no speeches about transparency, honor, courage... please nothing beyond the strict confines of the letter of the law. To fill in the time slot, you Mr. Obama can read the condominium rules for the State of Kansas, or the fishing rules for Lake Michigan, but please, nothing about faith, trust, sacrifice, standing united or any of those “extra-judicial” and “leadership” considerations you will find in all the inaugural speeches of past presidents, be they Democrat or Republican. Make your “charade oath”, just go through the motions, but you are no leader of men, you are a client of lawyers to hide 1+1=2.
Obama could settle this in short order. He is the reason it is happening.
I agree with you.
My parents, at the time of my birth, were BOTH British subjects. My mother worked for the British Army during
WW2. While they were here on Green Cards, their allegiance could still be said to lie with the UK.
Hence, while I was a “Citizen”, I was not a “Natural Born Citizen”.
I learned this over 30 years ago from someone I would regard as very knowlegeable on the subject.
Sure it and so is applying for a drivers license and student loans as a foreign national. Assuming of course he is Natural Born.
I doubt he claimed to be a foreign national for these.
I also think the “born in Kenya” thing is extremely unlikely, in spite of Kenyan tales. And even so, its a slam-dunk that courts would say that “natural born” NOW means born to a US citizen anywhere. Certainly the Supreme Court wouldn’t flinch from adopting that definition. The identity and citizenship of his mother is not in dispute, and he has acted as and been treated as a citizen for 40+ years, so such issues would be seen by nearly everyone (and most courts) as pettifogging.
There is something else hidden there, in the birth certificate and elsewhere, and this controversy was originally an attempt to flush it out.
I don’t think the law would be that inflexible if it came down to it, no matter what argument can be made. The public and the courts would find them unreasonable.
You can run for president without worries !
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