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To: nathanbedford; kosta50; stfassisi; MarkBsnr; annalex

“His Holiness recommends “adopting means to assist parents in their inalienable right to educate their children in their own ethical and religious convictions”, which Democrats will occasionally pay lip service to but what they really want is to create a giant skinner box, an overwhelming federal bureaucracy, and call it a “village.” Worse, they don’t not want children enriched by their parent’s ethical and religious convictions, they want them indoctrinated in the ideology of collectivism. That is why we have seen the opposition to homeschooling, the opposition to the 10 Commandments, and the move to create indoctrination camps and dragoon youth into compulsory attendance.”

NB, only a very weak faith or religion needs to fear the government, whether of the right or the left. Look to the Roman Catholic and Orthodox people of Eastern Europe, the Balkans and Russia for examples of how a strong Faith prevails in the face of tyranny.


6 posted on 12/06/2008 3:40:21 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: Kolokotronis
Your point about the survival of faith in the face of tyranny is well taken from a theological point of view. And you are right, the history of Eastern Europe demonstrates that Rome will endure over Marx.

To the degree that we view things on these threads from a political point of view, that is, to the degree that we see religion as it affects politics and, conversely, politics as it attempts to distort religion, the matter is not so clear. How many dead in Eastern Europe from the wall to Moscow over 70 years of Soviet communism? 40, 50 60 million dead?

The ultimate triumph of God over Marx is not a debatable issue for me but it might be cold comfort to tens of millions murdered by Stalin.


7 posted on 12/06/2008 3:48:59 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford; Kolokotronis; kosta50; stfassisi; MarkBsnr; annalex
“His Holiness recommends “adopting means to assist parents in their inalienable right to educate their children in their own ethical and religious convictions”Democrats will occasionally pay lip service to
11 posted on 12/06/2008 5:36:58 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: Kolokotronis
“NB, only a very weak faith or religion needs to fear the government”

Understood.

But I still would prefer a morally fit culture that does not rub salt into my wounds of original sin, aggravating my path to holiness.

12 posted on 12/06/2008 5:49:28 AM PST by GonzoII ("That they may be one...Father")
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To: Kolokotronis

***NB, only a very weak faith or religion needs to fear the government, whether of the right or the left. Look to the Roman Catholic and Orthodox people of Eastern Europe, the Balkans and Russia for examples of how a strong Faith prevails in the face of tyranny.***

Good point.


21 posted on 12/06/2008 6:31:04 AM PST by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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