Skip to comments.U S Two States Away from Constitutional Convention
Posted on 12/11/2008 5:28:28 AM PST by GWMcClintock
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Do we still have a constitution? Seems it dies a silent death long ago!
Also seems my spelher is beroke dis merning!
While you have a good point, there’s no reason to let the leftists “call time of death”.
This would not be a good time for a ConCon.
A Constitutional Convention, when called, can completely re-write the Constitution, even if it was called only to address a narrow issue. With the dims in control, delegates to such a convention would be the Jesse jackson, Bwarney Fwank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid types. In short: it would be the end of this Country as we know it.
And the new wording for Second Amendment will be: "Guns are for hunting. For purposes of hunting, federal gun licenses and registration are required."
Dec 10th has come and gone...
Liberal's view of the Constitution.........
Well this is the first I’ve heard of this.
Interesting that as the communists take over our country we havw this happening at the same time.
My guess is we can kiss our freedom’s goodbye. The left will re-write our Constitution.
Good-bye 2nd amendment, good-bye 1st amendment.
The new one world government is lining up faster than even I thought it would.
And to think George W. Bush republican socialist helped with this final push. Must have to payback his communist masters with his boot licking ending.
Understatement of the decade!
I am genuinely afraid for the 1A, 2A and 4A. This essentially opens the Constitution to "Chicago style pay-to-play" with Soros, the UN and IANSA ready to dish out serious cash to turn this country into a smoldering heap in history.
Buy guns, ammo, and keep the powder dry! This is not going to be pretty.
Toward the end of the article, this is addressed, saying that the vote was pushed to today.
My Rights are not “up for grabs”. Anyone trying to do any “grabbing” is in for a pretty bad shock.
Sorry, I should have read the entire article.
ok - then what happens? Does each state then get to vote on the new constitution? What if a bunch of red states decide to reject the new one and the blue states all approve? Van we then write our own and go our separate ways? If so, then I am all for having a constitutional convention, the sooner the better.
This plays perfectly into their grand scheme - including the related underhanded and not so underhanded crap occuring in the UN (see the Saudi Islam protection proposal). The Islam Financial Laws infiltrating our existing laws (that our leaders have allowed!) and who knows what else.
A Con Con now - or gee - any time the Rats have control - and especially with a muslim imposter coming in the door...I just can’t wait for where all this is heading!
Now what the crap can any of us do about any of this, please?
Sorry for the off topic ping, but you may want to read about the end of our republic.
In that case and if that happens, it’s time to unhitch Texas from the Federal wagon and go our own way.
It makes you wonder what the Left will do with NY harbor once “liberty” dies?
Time to secede ping.
There will be no re-write to the Constitution anytime soon.
1. People revere the document, in principle if not in actual text.
2. It’s not necessary; it’s not like it’s being followed anyway.
3. Any substantial change wouldn’t pass State muster, anyway.
4. The circus of a Con would destroy the Dem party in public opinion for a generation. Too risky.
From the article:
ACTION TO TAKE
We need only stop the House bill, HJR8, sponsored by Representative Louis Blessing, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee (there is a Senate bill too).
1. Call Chairman Blessing’s office and tell his staff you oppose a Constitutional Convention and you want this process stopped.
Tell them this is the most dangerous time ever to call for such a convention.
Tell them no one can control the debate or outcome of a Con Con.
Representative Louis Blessing
Phone: (614) 466-9091
Fax: (614) 719-3583
2. Call Representative Bill Batchelder. He is a very good man. I’ve known him for years. But he has been misled on this issue. The word is he is wavering. Your calls can convince him to withdraw his support. That can kill this bill.
Representative Bill Batchelder
Phone: (614) 466-8140
Fax: (614) 719-3969
3. It is URGENT that you make your calls right now. The bill could be voted on as early as this afternoon (Wednesday).
LOL. I have this problem everyday til about 10AM
OMG I knew about this but I didn’t know we were this close !
I do not trust any modern day politian to re-write my Constitution!
...and Virginia right behind you. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but the last time the “governing” Americans tried to suppress States rights through constitutional interpretation,on the “governed” Americans, didn’t about 620,000 Americans die? And the question still was not resolved in the minds of many of us.
Our constitution will be DOA when the fraud is sworn in.
Who says any politicians have to be involved? Why can't we just vote some normal everyday citizens to represent us? (Isn't that the way the Founders planned it?)
Does ANYONE have ANY information from ANYWHERE else about whether we actually are two States away from a Federal Constitutional Convention?Thanks in advance.
FRIGGIN BASTARDS!! ALL OF EM!!
Keep in mind that a constitutional convention can only propose amendments, which then must be ratified by the states. It’s no more powerful than Congress in that regard.
While it only takes two thirds of the states to call for a constitutional convention, under Article V three fourths of the states (presently 38 of 50) is the minimum necessary to ratify.
A quick search this morning found conflicting information, as usual. Saw articles mentioning 30 states, 40 states, etc.
Looks like this may have started as far back as 1972.
Here’s a site that lists 26 states allegedly signed up:
Amazing how flippant the responses to this are here on FR. Obviously our public school system has sufficiently dumbed down our population beyond what even I thought was possible.
Our rights are given by our Creator. Since I was not created by the government, they have no say. The Constitution was written with that understanding in mind and the Bill of Rights define the limits of government with respect to those rights.
They can change the Constitution, it still does not remove those rights.
Rights cannot be taken, they must be given away. Unfortunately, we, as a country, have been giving them away at break-neck speed.
Constitutional scholars are divided as to whether such a convention would be limited to the one subject for which it was summoned or whether delegates could expand the agenda as they might see fit. Opponents of a convention assert "There is no consensus as to whether or not the convention would have the power to simply disavow the Constitution altogether and propose replacing it with an entirely new document, and that it is worth noting that such an outcome would be similar to what happened when the Convention of 1787 ended up writing the current Constitution. That convention was called for the purpose of revising the earlier Articles of Confederation, but it chose instead to abandon the articles in favor of a completely new document." The 1787 convention was authorized by the Articles of Confederation, by an act of Congress, and by votes of the states; and that under the Act of Congress, any action taken by the 1787 Convention was invalid unless ratified by both a vote of Congress and the states.
All this could lead to a second civil war errupting in this country.
I don't disagree that many don't understand how the ConCon works, but the fact that we're close to this happening, at this time in American history, should make you shudder a little.
While I don't think we're in a Henry Bowman situation quite yet, the possibility exists and is growing closer than many would like to imagine. With the Rats in control of both houses of Congress, we are at risk for takeover by liberal progressive ideaologies.
If anyone would be so kind as to post a link to the rules behind a ConCon, I think many would be greatly appreciative. Amending the Constitution is not small potatoes.
Thanks. I couldn’t even find that. All I found was stuff that was clearly out-of-date.
While a pacifist at heart, I am ready to die for my country and for what it stands! I only pray that our States would stand behind us and that there are other people with my mindset out there.
The end result could be slavery for all under a totalitarian government.
In reality, we need a couple of generations to teach people about the Constitution, our history, and their unalienable rights.
Obama becomes president-elect and this place is now loonier than a nuthouse.
There will not be a constitutional convention.
Millions upon millions of firearms and ammo, buried way back in the hills from sea to shining sea, will have the last word on ‘how’ or ‘if’ our Constitution is rewritten.
If they want to try conclusions again, guess who has all the industrial base AND the agriculture AND the energy AND the guns this time around?
(From my next novel)
The convention was in Philadelphia, right?
Right. I was in Baltimore when it happened, but it was televised wall-to-wall. On television, the talking heads called it the con-con, like it was a big joke or something. Maybe constitutional convention was too hard to spell, or maybe it took them too long to say it. Too many syllables. You knowtime is money. I think a lot of the people behind it couldnt even pronounce it, much less spell it, so it just became the con-con.
It was two years ago?
Yeah, two years ago, in September. You have to understand how bad things already were, even before the earthquakes, and before the big hurricanes hit the Gulf Coast. Even back then, the economy was so bad that people were calling it The Greater Depression, or just GD2. People were desperate. And not just welfare types, Im talking about solid middle class citizens. Or formerly middle class, like my family. Nouveau poor, we called it. I think people were ready to try just about anything to get the economy moving. Nothing the government tried was working; everything was in a downward spiral. The Federal Reserve dropped interest rates to zero percent, but even that didnt help. Banks were failing left and right, only the Fed wouldnt let them failthey pumped in trillions of dollars in new money to keep them open. We were still using blue bucks then, what they called New Dollars. They printed that new money up to the sky, up to the moon. Nobody wanted to hear that it might take years to unwind the economic mess we were in. That it took us decades to ruin the economy, and it would take a long time to fix it. Everybody wanted a quick fix, like pulling a rabbit out of a magic hat. But everything the President and Congress tried just made things worse. Especially printing so much money.
Doug set his rifle barrel back down on the table and continued. The country was already a mess, and that was undeniable. Everybody and his brother were proposing constitutional amendments, supposedly to fix the economy, or make everything fair for the poor, or whatever. Thats how Congress came up with 34 state legislatures calling for a convention. There were seven or eight totally different amendment proposals, but it didnt matter. Once Congress had 34 states on record proposing amendments, they went for it. Oh, I think they were just waiting for the chance. Once they had 34 states, it only took a 51% vote in Congress to call for the convention.
Congress? I dont understand. What do they have to do with the convention? asked Carson.
Everything, under Article Five. It all came down to Article Five of the old constitution. Congress runs the whole show for constitutional conventions.
It does? I didnt know that.
Yeah, well join the club. That was a major surprise to almost everybody, since it had never happened before. Not in over 220 years. So nobody knew much about Article Five, said Doug.
I guess that changed in a hurry.
Youre not kidding. It was shock therapy. Especially when the Poor Peoples Party marched through Baltimore. There were already about a million of them camping out in Washington on the National Mall before the convention. When they took off walking to Philly, it was like a dam bursting. That was on Labor Day. Mile after mile of people with flags, signs, drums, musical bands on truckseverything you can imagine. Police cars were escorting them, leading them up I-95. They closed the northbound lanes of I-95 for something like twenty miles, for the whole time it took them to walk to Philly. They kept moving that closed section of 95 north, to keep up with the marchers. There was nothing else on television, practically. It took them two days just to get through Baltimore, and when they came through, they spread out like locusts. I was in Baltimore then, back in my mothers house. Id quit college, and gotten my draft notice. I was waiting to report for basic training.
Doug took a sip of his own instant coffee, and went on. Naturally, our own locals got into the spirit and joined the march. They took whatever they wanted from any stores along the way, and the police just watched. There was nothing they could do anyway, or it would have caused the biggest riot in history. It was legalized looting, thats all it was. Legalized looting, all over Baltimore. Redistributing the wealth, they called it. We stayed locked in our house and watched it all on television. It would have been suicide to go out and see it in person.
So it was, ah racially polarized? asked Carson.
Extremely. Everything was black and white when they came marching through Baltimore. Blacks marching, and whites hiding. I never saw anything like it in my life. Well, not until Memphis, but that was after the earthquakes.
Carson asked, How far is it from Washington to Philly? Two hundred miles?
Thats about right. It took two weeks for them to make it all the way, and when they arrived, the constitutional convention was just starting. Perfect timing. What a coincidence, right? It was all planned in advance, thats obvious now. They held the convention in the Spectrum sports arena. The delegates were down on the floor, and the rest of the stands were full of spectators. Yelling and screaming like maniacsand outside it was worse. They said there were over a million of the Poor Peoples Party in Philly by then, coming from everywhere. Probably another million just from Philadelphia. They were banging on buckets and pans, turning over cars, barricading streets and smashing windows. They kept interviewing the rabble-rousers on TVit was like pouring gasoline on fire. No justice, no peace, thats all you heard, that was one of the big mantras. They called the looting collecting street reparations. They said if they didnt get the economic justice amendment, theyd burn the city down. It looked like they would, too. Every street in downtown Philly looked like Times Square on New Years Eve, thats how crowded it was.
Jeez, that had to be pretty rough, with that many people packed into downtown. There couldnt have been enough public bathrooms, said Carson.
Every store and restaurant was broken open. Needing to use the toilets was always a good excuse to force their way in. That, and needing food and drinking water. After that, everything was looted.
And the police didnt stop it?
They couldnt stop it. How could they? asked Doug. The police just stayed back on the edges, and tried to herd them. Even that didnt work. A mob that big makes its own rules.
Like a human tidal wave.
Exactly. A human tsunami. So with that mega-mob outside the Spectrum, you can guess what kinds of radicals were being let in to fill the seats. The real cream of the crop. It was a total farce. Thats when they started to call it the kangaroo convention on talk radio. That was back when we still had AM talk radio
Carson asked, What happened to talk radio?
Two things. First, a couple of years ago Congress passed the so-called fairness laws. That meant that every point of view on a radio station had to be balanced by another radio host or by other callers from the other side. It got incredibly complicated. They literally had to count how many minutes were said for this and for that on every subject. Trying to keep up with the fairness laws made talk radio a money loser, so most stations went to sports or music. Then Congress passed a law against hate speech on the public airwaves. Anybody could take a radio station to court for just about anything that they claimed was hate speech, in their opinion. Theyd cherry-pick a left-wing judge and jury, in the right jurisdiction, and it was a slam-dunk every time. After a few million-dollar judgments, the last talk radio stations threw in the towel. Now radio is practically all music and sports, with nice happy-talk in between government PSAspublic service announcements.
This must really be up your alley, if you were majoring in communications.
Yeah, I picked a great time to choose that career path, huh? Now all we get on television and the radio is government propaganda.
Ive heard it, said Carson. We could get Nashville radio at Zacks house at night. So, you were up to the start of the constitutional convention.
Right. Anyway, to start it off, the Aztlan Coalition said they wouldnt vote for any other amendments, unless they got their regional autonomy deal first. That was the Southwestern Justice and Compensation Amendment. That was the first amendment they voted on, and it passed on a voice vote. Next, it was reparations for slavery. Five hundred thousand New Dollars for every African-American man, woman and child. Right after that, it was reparations for survivors of the Native American genocide. Another half million for everybody with Indian blood.
How was that paid? asked Carson in astonishment. Where did the money for all of that come from?
Didnt matter, Doug replied. It was just instant money from the Treasury or the Federal Reserve. Whats the difference? Ten trillion brand new blue bucks, right out of thin air. The checks came in the mail, or the money was just direct-deposited straight into their bank accounts. It was all just electronic digits, but it was real money just the same. It was just as spendable as any other money.
And that brought on the hyperinflation?
Among other things, like fraud on a scale never seen before in human history. People were collecting reparation payments right and left under false identities. I think there were about a million double dippers who claimed they were black and Indian but it didnt matter. Congress said that the reparations money would stimulate the economy. It would prime the pump and even the playing field at the same time. It was The mother of all stimulus packages. That was another of those clichés you heard all the time. The convention was already way out of control by the time they passed reparations for slavery and the Indians. Next came the Freedom from Gun Violence Amendment, and thats when the Second Amendment was annulled. So you see, we didnt want any of it. Not regular Americans. We didnt ever vote for it; it was all done at the con-con by mob rule. It was a complete circus by thenthe kangaroo convention. But it didnt matter what average Americans thought, the amendments all became law. They became the new constitution. When the Second Amendment was repealed, the delegates in the Spectrum had a mass orgasm. We watched it all on TV. It was surreal, like a bad dream you get after food poisoning.
Carson asked, What did the gun amendment ban?
Just about every legal firearm that was left. After the stadium massacre seven years ago, the semi-auto rifles were already outlawed. The ones they called assault weapons.
I remember that, said Carson. I was here for that one.
Under the Freedom From Gun Violence Amendment, there are no more privately owned handguns, none. Um, except for the police. The police and the military. And no pump or auto-loading shotguns. Only single shot and double-barreled shotgunsand you need to get a federal license to keep one in your house. Oh, and you have to take a federal firearms safety course and pass a background check to get your license. If they dont like your backgroundmeaning your politicsno license.
Gun control was never about safety: it was just about defanging and declawing ordinary Americans, said Carson. To make it safe for the police, in a police state.
Exactly. And that wasnt all, continued Doug. No rifle scopes only assassins need them, right? No rifles bigger than thirty caliber, period. And all of the bolt and lever action rifles have to be licensed and registered, just like the shotguns. Everything thats registered has to be kept in officially approved gun safes, and theyre subject to inspection at any time. They even have to be kept disassembled, with the bolts stored separately in another room. And God help you if they come in to inspect, and theyre not properly stored according to the law.
What about ammunition?
You have to fill out about a yard of paperwork and get police approval to buy a box of hunting ammunition, and then its taxed around 500%. And you have to turn in your fired brass before you can buy more ammo. Oh, and forget about reloadingthats illegal. You cant even own gunpowderthats a bomb-making material now.
And this was all in the gun amendment? asked Carson.
Hell yes. I think the FFGVA is something like forty pages long.
And American shooters just went along with it? Carson asked with a look of incredulity.
No, not most of them. I mean oh hell, I dont know. I didnt believe any of the polls I read on it. But youd be amazed by the number of so-called hunters and sportsmen they found to say it was all actually quite reasonable. They were on TV all the time, telling shooters to be reasonable, and comply with the new laws. They could still go hunting, and a bit of inconvenience was a small price to pay for public safety.
They can always find sellouts and traitors.
Yessir they can, Doug agreed. But any way you cut it, the Second Amendment was finished, dead and buried after the convention.
Carson sighed, and slowly shook his head. The end of two centuries of American gun rights.
Yep, the end. Doug smiled, and patted the lower receiver of the AR-15 carbine lying across the table. Legally, anyway. That is, if you consider anything that came out of that abortion that was born in Philadelphia to be legal.
I take it you dont.
Nope, I dont, not at all. But the con-con didnt end with the gun amendment. The economic amendment was the last one. That was on the final day of the convention. It was a rubber stamp, another voice vote. By then the con-con was like a religious revival meeting, so of course the EJDA passed. Thats what they call the Economic Justice and Democracy Amendment, the EJDA. It was another mass orgasm in the Spectrum. We were in shock by then, watching it on television at home. It all happened so fast! Only a few months before the con-con, everybody thought the Poor Peoples Party was a joke. We thought the constitutional convention would never happen, and even if it did, it wouldnt really count, somehow. But it did, and nobodys laughing now.
Whats this economic amendment do? asked Carson.
The EJDA guarantees jobs for everybody; it guarantees a living wage, guarantees affordable housing, free health care, free college, free child care Almost any freebie or handout you can think of, its in the EJDA. Basically its communism, written into the constitution. Believe it or not, they sold it as the best way to fix the economy. The new constitution was going to get us out of the depression, and make life fair for everybody. With the new constitution, the President could enact the New New Deal, and get us out of the depression. Fat chance! Thats like taking arsenic to cure a stomach ache.
Back up a minute, said Carson. How did they ratify these amendments? What does the old constitution say? Dont they need something like three quarters of the states to ratify an amendment?
Thats what we thought, replied Doug, But they used the back door clause. In Article Five, it says new amendments have to be approved by three fourths of the state legislatures, or by conventions in three fourths thereof. That was the fuzzy part, the part nobody could really explain. That became just about the most famous sentence in the constitution. But what the hell does it mean? Who makes up these state conventions? Who nominates the delegates, what are the rules, and where do they hold them? Theres nothing in Article Five that spells it out. Youd see ten so-called constitutional experts on television, and youd get ten different explanations. It was all up to the Congress to determine what conventions in three fourths thereof meant. At least, according to the Congress it was.
It sounds crazy, said Carson, disgustedly. It sounds like something that would happen in Argentina or Mexico. Making up the rules as they go along.
It was crazy, especially because the whole thing started with eight Western states that wanted a states-rights amendment. It was mostly over coal and gas revenues, and water rights. They wanted to cut back on federal control of their resources, and then they were joined by seven southern states. That was the original group of fifteen states. But pretty soon lots of blue states jumped on the band wagon, when they thought they might be able to turn a convention in their direction. Nobody really thought it would actually happen, it seemed so far-fetchedbut in less than a year there were 34 states calling for a constitutional convention. For six or seven totally different amendments, mind you. Nobody saw the train wreck coming. Well, almost nobodythe radical Democrats in Congress saw it. They wanted it they saw the potential. It was a setup, a scam from day one. A big scam to turn the country hard-core socialist in one big jump. We all know that now. It was all supposed to get us out of the depression. But by the time we figured out what they were up to, it was too late to stop it. Congress had complete control of how to run the convention, and that meant the Democrats. The train had left the station, and it couldnt be stopped. Then the Poor Peoples Party was organized, and the next thing you know, we had Philadelphia. They held these so-called state ratifying conventions right there in the Spectrum in Philadelphia, right there after the constitutional convention. It was such a joke! Thats why we called it the kangaroo convention.
And the Supreme Court didnt stop it?
Doug said, Oh, the Supreme CourtI forgot that one. There are twelve justices on the Supreme Court now. That was another amendment: twelve justices instead of nine. The President nominated the three new justices as soon as the convention was over, after the amendments were passed. Congress confirmed them the same day the President nominated them. The old Supreme Court with nine justices was our last hope: that theyd throw the whole thing out. Just invalidate the whole thing. But they didnt stop it. They voted five to four that the Supreme Court had no standing to overrule the convention results. The majority said that Article Five conventions are up to Congress. That was the last ruling by the nine-judge Supreme Court. Most people think the five liberals on the old court liked the new constitution better. They agreed with the new amendments, so thats why they voted to stay out of it. Now that there are twelve justices, the liberals win everything. Three of the conservative justices resigned in protest, but that just gave the President three more seats to fill. Since the convention, its like living in Venezuela, or Russia. Its Alice in Wonderland.
What about Congress?
What about Congress? Doug asked back. The Democrats had unbreakable majorities. The whole convention was their idea. Oh my God, the Democrats were all in hog heavenand the Republicans were as gutless as ever. The RINOs rolled over for the new constitution, most of them anyway. They never had the numbers to stop it. You know, as long as they can keep their snouts in the hog trough, thats all they really care about. A few Republicans challenged the basic legality of the con-con, but they were shouted down and called fascists and racists, all the usual stuff. They took an unholy beating in the media. So most of them caved in, and shut up.
Typical, agreed Carson.
Very. It works every time with RINOs. Growl at them, call them racists or homophobes, and theyll run for cover with their tails between their legs. They just want to stay in Congressits like being royalty. I think most of the RINOs in Congress like being in the permanent minorityits easier. Just keep your head down, shuffle along, make your votes, and go to A-list millionaire parties every night of the week. Doug spat on the ground. Bunch of losers.
Take the Bush family with you. They are responsible for almost 1/2 our nations debt.