Posted on 12/11/2008 8:20:46 AM PST by ckilmer
There is nothing in the law that says someone with red hair is qualified to be POTUS, either. We can't add extra requirements that aren't in the COTUS.
There’s enough confusion that it’s time for the Supreme Court to weigh in.
I agree. I think that this issue needs to be resolved, one way or the other. Especially since we're entering an era where many Americans have one or more parents who are note native-born American citizens. I'm a naturalized US citizen, but also a citizen of two other countries. My son, though born here in DC, is a citizen of the US, plus two other countries. There may be millions of Americans out there with similar statuses.
A native born citizen is a natural born citizen.
And your definition is not the author's definition, nor mine.
That is what I have attempted to help you understand, but you clearly do not want to grasp.
It's no threat to acknowledge opposing viewpoints, which is what you're refusing to do.
You will remain completely confused about several of these lawsuits, as a result. But, I'm done trying to elucidate you.
Have a good day.
Thanks for the fyi... I already know about that thread because I was the one who posted it.
It looks like you have your own CoLB ping list, so when I ping LucyT & others with ping lists I’ll try to remember yours as well.
A U.S. citizen at birth is a “natural born citizen”, a U.S. citizen who was not a citizen at birth is a “naturalized citizen”.
I can acknowledge opposing viewpoints just fine, but your opposition is based on the mistaken notion that I am somehow not acknowledging that there is a difference between a “natural born” and a “naturalized” citizen, and I have kept them distinct, and defined them; correctly, from the beginning.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”
Anyone born inside the United States
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
Also you used the word elucidate incorrectly.
Washington, Adams, Jefferson et al were born in the colony of America under British rule and became citizens with the adoption of the Constitution. They feared for the future when, for example, a British subject born here in the US, might have dual loyalties, hence the strict language which makes it (natural born) -a unique requirement for the POTUS and Vice Potus.
Natural born, i.e., born in the USA to American citizens. McCain and Obama are both not natural born, unless the Supremes rule differently. Could go on but you'll find it all at www.naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com.
I've never seen any evidence in their words that they were concerned about that.
There is a great amount of evidence that they were concerned about immigrants gaining the office.
See the Jay letter to General Washington...
My mistake: the comments I was thinking of were actually about foreign influence in the election, especially the re-election, of the President.
The Jay letter is the only direct comment on this AFAIK.
The overwhelming concern shown in the Constutional debates was that foreign influence of the new federal government would be by the traditional corrupt means.
The "natural born" citizenship of the President apparently needed no debate.
The author of this piece is basing his argument on the lack of passage of the "Equal Rights Amendment" by using the male- deliniated definitions used by the Founders. I got to admit it's a valid argument on it's face.
Thanks, LucyT
Appreciate you keeping me updated.
Save the Constitution Ping.
A native born citizen is a natural born citizen though a natural born citizen may not be native born. Descent from citizens makes one natural born even if born in China. Mere geography makes one native born. One is either natural born or naturalized. McCain needed no naturalization since he was the child of US citizens making him natural born.
You point to the correct point but manage to miss it. Allegiance is the point of requiring natural born citizens be president. There is nothing which disrupts that allegiance in children of citizen agents of the government being born abroad. In fact, such an origin amplifies the allegiance required since the parents are serving at the behest of the nation. It is a total contradiction of the entire intention to declare children of ambassadors, FBI agents, even Congressmen, and military officers ineligible of a right the child of an illegal alien has.
Geography cannot stand against allegiance. None of the Founders were “native born” within the USA since it did not exist. And slaves and Indians would be native born after 1787 and therefore eligible. Hence the term Natural born.
How old were you when she was born? That Obama’s mother was only 18 is what clouds his own issue.
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