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To: wombtotomb
LOL back. No coersion, free will. I have heard both sides of the argument and chose to believe in God. The other argument seems silly to me. I don’t believe we are here by accident, any more than I believe a building can be built without an architect or a poem can be written by shaking a bag of letters up, dumping them out, and falling into something that makes sense. I believe in intellegent design because bringing order out of chaos requires it. If that be the case, a designer is necessary, and therefore I choose to believe in God. It is not about the security, it is thoughtful logic.

I have seen far too many grotesque genetic deformalities and congenital defects, to think we are products of intelligent design. Of course, your choice of wilfully ignoring to consider the case of crippling / degenerative genetic abnormalities running in contravention of ID, does not make ID any truer.

"...as to the your genes being carried on better, LOL again, because we are taught to be fruitful and multiply, we do so. Many more christians have extremely large families and furthermore, have far fewer abortions than do those who argue for invitro due to that whole selfishness entitlement mentality I was speaking about to begin with."

What about the case of infertile Christian couples who can be helped with IVF. Your having of many children, in no way helps the cause of the infertile couple striving to preserve their genetic legacy. That's the cold, plain, dark truth of our existence on this planet. You can hide this truth however you want, but it never ceases to remain the truth. Sadly.

102 posted on 12/12/2008 8:41:32 AM PST by MyTwoCopperCoins
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins
CREEPY NAZI RHETORIC ALERT

. . . the infertile couple striving to preserve their genetic legacy.

END CREEPY NAZI RHETORIC ALERT

104 posted on 12/12/2008 8:43:19 AM PST by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

now that is just silly. The design is perfect, imperfections come only when the design is not followed for some known or unknow reason. Only when one deviates from design do those grotesque deformities happen.

as to those infertile christian couples, they are not practicing what they preach. they are practicing selfishness instead of selfLESSness. Taking in a needy unwanted child as your own is the ultimate act of selflessness. Only caring about perpetuating your genetic line, consequences be damned (creating 10 embryos, implanting only 6, selectively reducing 2-4 to make one viable baby) is the ultimate act of selfISHness, imho.


119 posted on 12/12/2008 9:01:55 AM PST by wombtotomb (since its "above his paygrade", why can't we err on the side of caution about when life begins?)
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