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While Fr. Michael Prieur attempted to justify "early induction" for lethal fetal anomaly as not being abortion, the procedure has been condemned as illicit by the US Bishops' Doctrinal Committee and called "direct abortion" by the National Catholic Bioethics Center (NCBC).

There is NO JUSTIFICATION for abortion EVER and this "priest" needs to be excommunicated.

1 posted on 12/13/2008 10:34:36 AM PST by wagglebee
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2 posted on 12/13/2008 10:36:40 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 12/13/2008 10:36:42 AM PST by fanfan (Update on Constitutional Crisis in Canada.....Click user name)
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4 posted on 12/13/2008 10:36:58 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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5 posted on 12/13/2008 10:37:36 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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"And so we do not dismember the baby when we bring the baby out. Some hospitals would use dilatation and evacuation which means they would bring the child out in pieces. We will not allow that," he said.

Sickening.

6 posted on 12/13/2008 10:37:49 AM PST by Texas Eagle (Appreciate me now and avoid the rush.)
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Peace and Justice.


7 posted on 12/13/2008 10:39:04 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body. -C.S. Lewis)
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This is the same type of reasoning The March of Dimes uses to support the termination of babies in the womb who are diagnosed with Down Syndrome and Spinal Bifida among other “defects”.


8 posted on 12/13/2008 10:39:47 AM PST by Texas Eagle (Appreciate me now and avoid the rush.)
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There is NO JUSTIFICATION for abortion EVER and this "priest" needs to be excommunicated.

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Agreed. This is shocking.

9 posted on 12/13/2008 10:39:54 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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There is NO JUSTIFICATION for abortion EVER and this "priest" needs to be excommunicated.

Along with the bishop(s) who approved of it.

10 posted on 12/13/2008 10:42:36 AM PST by BlessedBeGod
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Indeed.

Would the “priest” not concede that perhaps at least one of those he agreed to murder could have lived despite what he believed to be a lethal condition? If so, then he would admit his own guilt, as I would accuse him of.

11 posted on 12/13/2008 10:43:34 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Abortion has become little more than the New Left's execution of political prisoners.)
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Funny how "bioethics" always seems to end up being the figleaf behind which killing for convenience hides. I do not recall ever reading an article in which a "bioethicist" was quoted as supporting life over death..
13 posted on 12/13/2008 11:06:29 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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Defrock and excommunicate.


14 posted on 12/13/2008 11:08:20 AM PST by Robwin
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This is the problem ~ when you call an abortion something else you'll always find those who say that's OK. Then there are those who think abortion is always OK, and even some of them think killing within a few hours after birth is also OK.

Eventually you get to the point where killing anyone for any reason is OK.

At least the Code Duelo (Dueling Code) provided for a "reason" ~ honor! Yet, you'll never find a single Leftwingtard who will support bringing back dueling. Still, if we enabled dueling, we could quickly put a stop to virtually all the Leftwingtard nonsense including abortion.

I have no doubt that the so-called ethecist whose the target of this report would oppose dueling and we'd have to go dig him up out of a hole under his house like they did his brother in blood Saddam Hussein!

15 posted on 12/13/2008 11:10:35 AM PST by muawiyah
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17 posted on 12/13/2008 11:14:19 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I’m speechless.


18 posted on 12/13/2008 11:21:39 AM PST by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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Disgusting and heart rendering.

“In addition to being the chief ethicist at the hospital, Fr. Michael Prieur is a professor of Moral and Sacramental Theology at St. Peter’s Seminary, a position he’s held for over thirty-five years. He is widely known as one of the nation’s foremost defenders of the Winnipeg Statement, a controversial statement of the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops which many have deemed a dissent from Pope Paul VI’s encyclical Humanae Vitae.”

Why am I not surprised?

Even more disgusting is the weasling of the former Bishop for the Diocese. Trust me he was probably told about this policy by those who were appalled by it. To shrug this off with “I trusted him” is inexcusable. That Bishop needs to be defrocked as well as the priest involved.

Christ have mercy on us.


19 posted on 12/13/2008 11:36:52 AM PST by lastchance (Hug your babies.)
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He just liked playing God. He was slipping on the slippery slope and justifying every decision with his God complex.


24 posted on 12/13/2008 1:05:59 PM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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"There is NO JUSTIFICATION for abortion EVER and this "priest" needs to be excommunicated."

Well, Maryknoller Bourgeois finally got his walking papers, perhaps Father Prieur will follow along.

Given the legalistic hairsplitting in the article, I wonder if Fr. Prieur is a Jesuit.

25 posted on 12/13/2008 2:00:48 PM PST by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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This new article/thread corroborates an article Jill Stanek wrote more than 4 years ago (see below). I have a friend who has worked in Catholic Hospitals for more than 25 years who has fought to stop tubal ligations and I believe a couple of abortions, as well as other things condemned by the Church.

I know this thread will be very difficult for many to read and digest. Some good people who learn about such terrible betrayal might have their faith seriously shaken. Never give up. We have to remember that Christ Himself warned that great evil will be around us till the end. We all can do something to help with pro-life.

“You Can Save Someone’s Life Today”—Dozens of Suggested Activities for Everyone [PDF Format] Priests for Life http://www.priestsforlife.org/brochures/youcan.html

Pro-Life Activism What You Can Do to End Abortion
http://www.priestsforlife.org/brochures/whatyoucando.htm

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Catholic hospitals commit – and U.S. bishops condone – live-birth abortion

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=40465

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: September 15, 2004 1:00 am Eastern

By Jill Stanek © 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

The news was a real bummer. A reporter named Tom Szyszkiewicz, who writes for the Catholic publications, Our Sunday Visitor and the National Catholic Register, was calling to tell me he had discovered two Catholic hospital systems were committing the induced-labor abortion procedure – live-birth abortion – on handicapped babies.

The bad news warped to bizarre when Szyszkiewicz said these hospitals were waiting until babies were 23 to 26 weeks gestation before aborting them – i.e., until they were of viable age – so they could say these weren't abortions at all, but simply labor inductions and, thus, sanctioned by the Catholic Church.

"That's crazy," I thought. Most hospitals I'm aware of that commit LBA do just the opposite: They make sure to abort babies before 23 weeks – the most recent viability cutoff date according to the American Heart Association and American Academy of Pediatrics – to avoid the ethical and legal dilemmas of deciding whether to resuscitate a baby they just tried to kill.

The Catholic hospitals' abortion strategy seemed even more risky when taking the Born Alive Infants Protection Act into account. It states that live-born babies, no matter what their gestational age or circumstances of birth, are "persons." According to the 14th Amendment, "persons" born in the United States are automatic citizens who cannot be "deprive[d] ... of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor den[ied] ... equal protection of the laws."

This means live-aborted babies can't be cast aside to die in hospital soiled utility rooms, or drowned in buckets of water, or sealed to suffocate in biohazard bags. They must be medically assessed and cared for just like wanted babies.

Last week, I contacted both hospital systems to make sure I wasn't missing something. I wasn't.

Loyola Health System in Chicago, and Providence Health System on the West Coast and Alaska, both commit live-birth abortion.

But they don't like the word, "abortion." They call what they do, "early induction of labor."

Webster's Dictionary defines abortion as, "the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus."

So now "termination of pregnancy" is called "early induction of labor." Euphemisms ... what would abortion proponents do without them?

Other Catholic hospitals may also be involved. Szyszkiewicz reported in the March 7, 2004, Our Sunday Visitor that Providence is the 10th largest U.S. Catholic health system, and "spokespersons for the other nine ... were either vague about their hospitals' practices or did not return calls."

Loyola and Providence say they are acting in accordance with the 2001 U.S. Bishops' Ethical and Religious Directives for Catholic Health Care Services that states, "For proportionate reason, labor may be induced after the fetus is viable."

Theologian James LaGrye from the bishops' doctrinal office said the term "proportionate" is used "for situations in which some grave risk would be incurred if an action were not taken to avoid it," wrote Szyszkiewicz, who added, "LaGrye said the mental health of the mother 'is a reason' to perform early induction."

In addition to having "mental health" concerns, Fr. Jack O'Callahan, staff ethicist at Loyola, said they are trying "to ward off the physical complications of bringing to term a child who is not going to live anyway."

But, euthanizing one's handicapped child is not the solution to maintaining mental health, nor do handicapped babies normally spread voodoo vibes to make their mothers sick.

What about the physical and mental complications of abortion?

Even fatally ill babies, left to develop until term, give their mothers the gift of lowering their risk of breast cancer. Contrarily, mothers who abort dramatically increase their risk.

Aborting mothers also stand a much greater chance of ending up in hospital high-risk maternity departments next time they get pregnant. Their forcibly stretched cervixes will have difficulty keeping subsequent babies inside until full term.

But I digress.

The Aug. 19 New England Journal of Medicine reported that the smallest known surviving preemie just celebrated her 15th birthday. In 1989, Madeline Mann was born at Loyola Hospital at 27 weeks, weighing 9.9 ounces. She is now a violin playing, roller-blading, high-school honor student.

Doctors at Loyola delivered Madeline early by Caesarean section after determining she might fare better in their care than in her mother's uterus.

Oh, the irony.

27 posted on 12/13/2008 2:33:22 PM PST by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at KnightsForLife.org)
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