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Piracy & Firearms: Another View
Yachting Noonsite ^ | March 27, 2007 | Mike Rostov

Posted on 12/14/2008 8:40:14 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: wastedyears
I was just shooting a Nagant and a turkish Mauser today.

I think I paid $180 for the two. Both fine shooters

21 posted on 12/14/2008 9:28:18 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Travis McGee
From the thread 12ga shotgun vs. 2 boats of Pirates you posted:
“Shooting from a yacht is similar to shooting from the roof of an SUV, while driving across rutted fields. It has NOTHING to do with range shooting. You cannot get a "rest." You can only shoot offhand, while your boat is moving in several directions at once.”
Modify the CROWS and add gyro stabilization.
(Yes, the technology exists)


Just mount that on the top of your boat!
22 posted on 12/14/2008 9:29:03 PM PST by Fichori (I believe in a Woman's right to choose, even if she hasn't been born yet.)
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To: Still Thinking

The eastern Caribbean is not too bad and generally safe but Venezuela, since Chavez, is a mess and has become very dangerous. You used to stay about 10 NM off the coast, catching the wind and curent, going down to Isla Margurita and hug the coast and hope you got some catabaric winds off the mountains of eastern Venezuela going back to Trinidad. (with your yacht full of Cchilean wine and Venezuelan rum!) Those days are gone, at least for a while.

Bruno had spent some time in Trinidad visiting and I think he pulled his boat and did a bottom job at Peakes. I met him a few times. He seemed like a nice guy and his killing shocked the yachting community.

A weapon is a big problem to deal with in the eastern Caribbean but you MUST go armed when you are near the coast of Venezuela or travel in a flotilla, a BIG flotilla.


23 posted on 12/14/2008 9:30:12 PM PST by WellyP
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To: George Varnum
Although most firearms are banned, apparently, by the Coast Guard on civilian vessels (or so I’m told) and at many foreign ports, they usually do allow flare pistols.

I recall quite a few years ago reading a story somewhere of some poor bastard who had to spend a lot more time in St. Kitts than he had planned for violating this.

Also very good+ surplus Egyptian Ljungmann rifles in 7.92mm were available cheap. 10 shots. They wouldn't get closer to you than 500 yards without hurting.

24 posted on 12/14/2008 9:30:54 PM PST by Seven plus One
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To: Fichori
It's gotta be a pretty big yacht to mount a CROWS.

I'm guessing they can afford it.

25 posted on 12/14/2008 9:40:57 PM PST by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: Travis McGee

I dunno about that.

The CROWS is designed to mount on hummers, etc.

A 30+ foot boat should be able to handle it fine.


26 posted on 12/14/2008 9:43:12 PM PST by Fichori (I believe in a Woman's right to choose, even if she hasn't been born yet.)
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To: Fichori

You can stick a 500# weight on top of a heavy duty vehicle, no problem. Boats are another story. Plant 500 extra # on deck, big problem. (Unless you stay on flat water, but what good is that?)


27 posted on 12/14/2008 9:49:06 PM PST by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: Travis McGee
Actually, three Ruger products. Sigh.

The bargain of a lifetime, weighed against ten years in a Mexican calabozo.

-ccm

28 posted on 12/14/2008 9:51:51 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: ccmay

You’ve got that exactly right.


29 posted on 12/14/2008 9:52:58 PM PST by Travis McGee (--www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com--)
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To: George Varnum; Travis McGee
Although most firearms are banned, apparently, by the Coast Guard on civilian vessels (or so I’m told) and at many foreign ports, they usually do allow flare pistols.

Don't think you're right. You can take along any gun you want in US waters or on the high seas. The only problems come when you make port elsewhere.

My understanding is that most decent places allow guns aboard ship to be left in the custody of the harbor master or customs office, and not treated as if they have been imported into the country. There are probably significant amounts of paperwork involved.

At the other extreme, Jamaica supposedly will give you life in prison or hang you if they catch you with a gun anywhere in their 200-mile exclusion zone.

Experienced yachtsmen are invited to elucidate further.

-ccm

30 posted on 12/14/2008 9:57:10 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Travis McGee

Ok, it might be necessary to design a lightweight version.

But we could build the gyro stabilization in natively then. (Instead of modding the old design)


31 posted on 12/14/2008 10:00:56 PM PST by Fichori (I believe in a Woman's right to choose, even if she hasn't been born yet.)
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To: mylife
I was just shooting a Nagant and a turkish Mauser today. I think I paid $180 for the two. Both fine shooters

If you can afford a yacht, you can afford $100 for a Mauser or SKS or Enfield you can drop overboard three miles out.

-ccm

32 posted on 12/14/2008 10:03:46 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: George Varnum
Here's more on carrying weapons at sea: Practical and Legal Implications of the Carriage of Firearms. Bottom line, even England allows guns on board its flagged vessels. Shotguns can be brought in and out of England aboard a yacht. Other weapons can be carried on a UK-flagged boat but must be bought elsewhere and remain outside UK waters.

-ccm

33 posted on 12/14/2008 10:17:23 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: Fichori
Modify? Get the Rafael mini-Typhoon

(The full version is more fun, but how many of us have anti-tank missiles?)

As for legality, civilian ownership of naval artillery was an expectation, when the Constitution was written. It is an implied right (unlike most of the crap the Supreme Court makes up). You can't have letter of Marque without armed merchantmen.

34 posted on 12/14/2008 10:45:58 PM PST by rmlew (The loyal opposition to a regime dedicated to overthrowing the Constitution are accomplices.)
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To: rmlew

Heh, I don’t even know what a letter of Marque is!

Armed merchantmen is the best idea since canned soup.


35 posted on 12/14/2008 10:51:36 PM PST by Fichori (I believe in a Woman's right to choose, even if she hasn't been born yet.)
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To: rmlew

Ok, I just looked it up.

I want a letter of Marque!
(Make those pirates have bad dreams at night)


36 posted on 12/14/2008 10:59:27 PM PST by Fichori (I believe in a Woman's right to choose, even if she hasn't been born yet.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For many years we took the boat to Cabo for 8 months of the year and always carried handguns and amunition.


37 posted on 12/14/2008 11:14:20 PM PST by dalereed
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

For many years we took the boat to Cabo for 8 months of the year and always carried handguns and amunition.


38 posted on 12/14/2008 11:14:34 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Travis McGee

Chucking must be awful...

...ya salty dawg...;-)


39 posted on 12/15/2008 5:08:50 AM PST by stevie_d_64
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
My thought is that you should have two rifles and two shotguns and two hunting licenses for where you are from and where you are going onboard.
40 posted on 12/15/2008 6:37:02 AM PST by marktwain
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