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To: bronxboy

Sorry Charlie but most of your union members wouldn’t vote for the GOP if we held a gun to their head. We have pretty much lost Michigan and Illinois in the Midwest no matter what we do. Indiana employs more workers in plants owned by Subaru and Toyota than GM and Ford and has been a dependable Republican state so has is those evil southern states with the foreign auto plants as well. Ohio is going to go Democrat no matter if we bail you out or not the way the trends has been going.

We would be better off seeing strong union and Democrat states like Michigan and Illinois lose population and electoral votes than to waste billions trying to save them. Population trends and political power is going to the southern states anyway so that is where the Republican party future is at. For example in 1900 the 4th largest city in the United States was St Louis, Missouri. Today it is Houston, Texas. By your reasoning we would of spent billions of taxpayers money trying to keep St Louis the fourth largest city since 1900. In 1900 the horse and mule industry as a whole was about the same percent of the economy if not larger than the auto industry is now. If they only had a bailout then perhaps we would have the same buggy whip manufacturing jobs as we had then.

The economy isn’t going to be run into the ground any more than when the domestic electronics industry went overseas or when the railroads went bankrupt or for that matter the canals in the 19th century.

I really resent that someone like me making a little more than minimum wage at a retail store has to subsidize your workers mortgages. Trust me I have overpaid your workers for years. We have never owned a foreign car but boy have we owned some clunkers your overpaid workers put together. It is damn hard to feel sorry for UAW workers making $60 an hour when you have to borrow from friends and family to get your only car out of the shop because your lazy workers didn’t put it together right.

People like me has been the bedrock of your customer base. Most of the liberals your union supports has gone over to foreign cars years ago but it has been conservatives who buy American out of tradition or patriotism who have supported you.

Now you demand our taxes to support you without making much concessions. How much are you making dude? I wouldn’t be surprised if after your pay cut you are still making a six figure salary.

If GM was so in danger then why did the UAW strike against the company in 2007? Seems to me that the UAW didn’t care about the company survival then so why the hell should I care about it now.

I am tired of arrogance, I am tired of everybody wanting to get into my pockets but nobody is looking out for me. I don’t care if those states never vote for the Republicans again. I am getting to the point where I don’t care if the Republicans will win again. The way I see it is that it is getting to the point where everyone needs to save themselves rather than worrying about others saving them.

You threaten that if you don’t get your bailout you will never go visit a southern state again, fine. But if they do get their bailout I can bet you will not have the money to go visit anywhere for long because myself and others will never buy a Big Three UAW product again. If Michigan and Ohio want to vote Democrat until the end of time I don’t give a rat’s ass about their stupidity. I don’t care if Michigan becomes as poor as Haiti if their voters is stupid.


61 posted on 12/17/2008 9:06:17 AM PST by Swiss
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To: Swiss
Well said and very accurate. Michigan is already on it's way to being a 3rd world economy. Bronxboy is a fraud. He's a union stool. Take it literally.

He contradicts himself so often that he wouldn't know his own lies if they bit him in the ass. Just ignore him. His nonsense is non stop. He says you can't change a contract, but says they changed to silly work rules already. Nonsense. Of the 2200 pages of the contract, a large portion is stating the work rules that cripple the Big 3.
He states that it isn't a bailout, but a loan. There is NO way that GM can repay a loan the way it is set up. Management is also a huge problem with the company. Heck, they are banking their future on the Volt, a car that is battery run and can go a whole 150 miles before needed a recharge. Boy, that will be a practical car, not.
Just shut them down now.

62 posted on 12/17/2008 6:15:57 PM PST by bfree (FBO)
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To: Swiss

You misunderstand completely. I do not threaten, I warn. If you think only union members will vote Dem in the Mid West if this region is devastated by a big three meltdown...you live in the land of denial. I am telling you based on living in Ohio and having contact with many in other Mid Western states that there is palpable rage from everyone-Dems,Repubs, Auto people, non-auto people. The GOP is going down a very bad path with this issue and will pay dearly-no GOP presidents for who knows how long.

Perhaps, you could explain how a party which is losing voters everywhere except the South can win a presidential election? The GOP has never regained power in New York or New England or California. Once Mid Western voters desert the GOP in droves which is happening now-they will not return.


66 posted on 12/18/2008 6:39:10 AM PST by bronxboy
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