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[LIVE THREAD] Minnesota State Canvassing Board review of challenged ballots in the U.S. Senate race
http://www.startribune.com/video/?ls1=1&elr=KArks8c7PaP3E77K_3c::D3aDhUxWoW_oD:EaDUiacyKUU ^

Posted on 12/16/2008 12:01:59 PM PST by tomymind

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To: Auntie Mame

This is past insanity. Franken should be charged $10,000 for each challenge that obviously isn’t worth challenging. I still can’t figure out what was worth challenging on Goodview 2, ballot 2. No mark at all on Franken; Coleman clearly marked. The person wrote in an obscenity for his mayoral choice. Other than that, I don’t see the problem.

I’m surprised that the idiot who voted for Obama, Nader AND Barr didn’t include McKinney. Obama and Nader rated two marks each. Poor Barr, only got one scribbled mark. However, in this one, Franken is clearly and solely marked in the senate section. I would be suspicious as to why the voter didn’t turn this botched one in and start over. Or was it and it wasn’t destroyed as it should’ve been?


41 posted on 12/16/2008 7:46:17 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: llevrok; flattorney

Another FReeper (flattorney) makes the truthful case why we’re in this situation - MN SOS is a Commie in the bag for 0

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2148122/posts


42 posted on 12/16/2008 8:05:38 PM PST by AmericanGirlRising (The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
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To: skr; Auntie Mame
See M.S.204C.22 (what I believe is the relevant Minnesota statute, but IANAL). They are calling those overvotes because no attempt was made to erase the stray mark, I think. Also, a stray "identifying mark" on the page can disqualify it.

But this is pretty pathetic, calling this an overvote, unless I'm missing something.

43 posted on 12/16/2008 8:23:51 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: skr
The person wrote in an obscenity for his mayoral choice.

That did it.


Although the statute seems to require intent:

Subd. 13.Identifying ballot.If a ballot is marked by distinguishing characteristics in a manner making it evident that the voter intended to identify the ballot, the entire ballot is defective.
The Star-Tribune is reporting...
Do not count these votes if ...
[...]
A voter places an identifying mark on the ballot, such as writing their initials or making a statement of some kind. (That does not include election judges’ initials.)
The latter doesn't say "intent to identify" is required. I don't know if the Star-Tribune is twisting the statute, or are reporting how the Canvassing Board is interpreting the statute.
44 posted on 12/16/2008 8:30:01 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: lewisglad; Cyber Liberty
Daisy, Goofy, and Donald Duck voted for Coleman.

I wonder if these bozos realize their stunt got their ballot pulled and bogged the process down.

It's good that they are not letting those frivolous challenges hold things up now, though...as long as intent on candidate is clear and there's no intent to identify a ballot when a mark (such as "Mickey Mouse") is made, then the ballot shouldn't be challenged on those grounds.

45 posted on 12/16/2008 8:45:10 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

Yes, that is pathetic to call that an overvote. A tiny dot on the edge of Franken’s “hole” and a fully filled in blackness in Coleman’s. If these votes are actually not being counted for stuff like this, then something’s really wrong. There’s absolutely no doubt who that voter was voting for. I assume the counting machine counted this ballot correctly, but when they were hand counted it was pulled. If so, this is outrageous!


46 posted on 12/16/2008 9:03:25 PM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: Auntie Mame

They actually have a pretty cool feature that (if you register) allows you to see all 6000+ ballots and vote on them yourself. They’re pooling the results of other people’s votes to come up with their own tally. I made it through about 130. They’d feed you random ballots and you could vote Coleman, Franken, Other, Under, Over, etc.

Hardly Scientific. But when I was going through them at about 3 this afternoon, the conglomeration of votes from the masses had Franken winning by 40.


47 posted on 12/16/2008 9:25:30 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: lewisglad

Coleman up by 267 (175 ballots reviewed) now. The more they
count and recount, the better Coleman does. Now what does a
Franken do?? Just declare himself the Senator? It could happen!


48 posted on 12/17/2008 7:28:33 AM PST by luvie (Now....on to 2012........Palin/Jindal)
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To: LUV W

Oops...up 269...my bad!


49 posted on 12/17/2008 7:29:08 AM PST by luvie (Now....on to 2012........Palin/Jindal)
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To: GreatOne

The law be damned. Political results are all Dems care about.


50 posted on 12/17/2008 8:19:16 AM PST by fwdude ("...a 'centrist' ... has few principles - and those are negotiable." - Don Feder)
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To: All

175 reviewed? Of 6000+?

This will take forever.


51 posted on 12/17/2008 8:57:02 AM PST by Owen
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To: businessprofessor

You’re surprised? They’re gonna keep counting until Franken “wins”.

This is an important seat for the demrats even though it will not give them the filibuster proof situation they seek. If they get Franken in, it is one less Pubbie they must destroy to ultimately achieve a supermajority.

I think they need to oust, one way or the other, five or six Pubbies from Senate to achieve a supermajority. Anyone know what the actual number is?


52 posted on 12/17/2008 9:34:18 AM PST by dools007
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To: dools007

Senate mix is not really the subject of this thread.

Coleman by 312 presently as challenged ballots are reviewed.


53 posted on 12/17/2008 9:42:17 AM PST by Owen
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To: lewisglad
Currently:

Coleman
+321
Ballots reviewed:306

54 posted on 12/17/2008 9:56:10 AM PST by luvie (Now....on to 2012........Palin/Jindal)
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To: LUV W

This is a slow and painful process. Somehow no matter what new game Franken tries to add into the mix though, Coleman still advances.

My gut is saying that Coleman and his election expert lawyer are doing everything correct to stand up to Franken’s assault on the election.

So I’m hoping that this process will result in an even more painful loss for Franken.


55 posted on 12/17/2008 10:39:12 AM PST by romanesq
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To: All

What would be nice to have is a feel for the Coleman people’s estimate of what challenges are resolving in which direction officially vs their projections. Meaning, is he gaining or lose with respect to expectations.


56 posted on 12/17/2008 10:54:05 AM PST by Owen
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To: GreatOne

Minnesota is clearly making a bid to displace Venezuela for the title of “Most Corrupt/Most Inept Election Officials!”

Where’s Jimmy Carter when you REALLY need him - for a little comic relief?


57 posted on 12/17/2008 10:59:17 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?)
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To: lewisglad

Current margin:

Coleman
+328
Ballots reviewed:339

This is rich! As more ballots are reviewed, Coleman’s lead GROWS!!!


58 posted on 12/17/2008 11:01:57 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?)
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To: Owen
"Senate mix is not really the subject of this thread."

Riiiiight...

As if anyone outside Minnesota would give a rat's patootie who won, were it not for the issue of Senate mix!

59 posted on 12/17/2008 11:04:32 AM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?)
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To: Redbob

His lead is not growing. These are mostly Franken challenges presently being reviewed. Most were not credible challenges. There are many similar challenges made by Coleman that will also fail on review.

What we don’t have is an estimate of how many of these 6000 the Coleman people thought would go for them versus are not going for them. IOW, we don’t really have a score here unless we know how this count is faring with respect to Coleman (or Franken) expectations.


60 posted on 12/17/2008 11:06:35 AM PST by Owen
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