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[LIVE THREAD] Minnesota State Canvassing Board review of challenged ballots in the U.S. Senate race
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Posted on 12/16/2008 12:01:59 PM PST by tomymind

Minnesota State Canvassing Board review of challenged ballots in the U.S. Senate race

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 2008; ballots; canvassingboard; coleman; democracy; election; electioncongress; elections; electionussenate; recount; review; senate; vote
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1 posted on 12/16/2008 12:02:00 PM PST by tomymind
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To: tomymind

Does anybody know what the current vote tally is?


2 posted on 12/16/2008 12:06:36 PM PST by MissEdie
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To: MissEdie
They are reviewing all Franken’s challenges first.
3 posted on 12/16/2008 12:08:13 PM PST by tomymind (McCain is my President)
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To: tomymind

do they have to review each ballot that way? (vote on each?). The chairman’s voice is more painful than Franken’s


4 posted on 12/16/2008 12:08:38 PM PST by llevrok (Feral Conservative)
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To: llevrok

The chairman is a communist.


5 posted on 12/16/2008 12:09:38 PM PST by tomymind (McCain is my President)
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To: tomymind

some guy is sitting there eating chocolate cookies


6 posted on 12/16/2008 12:13:51 PM PST by lewisglad
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To: MissEdie

Current margin:

Coleman
+213
Ballots reviewed:47
http://www.startribune.com/


7 posted on 12/16/2008 12:18:50 PM PST by lewisglad
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To: tomymind
how much is this circus costing minnesota?

i move to reject the entire pile and allocate the vote to ‘too stoopid to vote’.

8 posted on 12/16/2008 12:18:59 PM PST by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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To: tomymind

Where are the representatives of the “people of color?” You just know Franken will scream of racism if he loses to these white people on these ballots.


9 posted on 12/16/2008 12:21:54 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: tomymind

Mickey Mouse voted for Franken.


10 posted on 12/16/2008 12:24:30 PM PST by lewisglad
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To: MissEdie
Does anybody know what the current vote tally is?

Doesn't matter...they'll quit when the Dems win.

11 posted on 12/16/2008 12:29:21 PM PST by Krodg
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To: Krodg

BINGO!


12 posted on 12/16/2008 12:30:35 PM PST by Dr. Ursus
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To: tomymind

This is an SNL skit, right?


13 posted on 12/16/2008 12:34:32 PM PST by RckyRaCoCo (LIBERAL MEDIA PICKS GOP CANDIDATE STORY AT 11:00!)
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To: lewisglad

Current margin:

Coleman
+218
Ballots reviewed:56


14 posted on 12/16/2008 12:44:48 PM PST by Slicksadick (Go out on a limb........Its where the fruit is.)
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To: tomymind
According to the Minneapolis Red Star, who have had access to challenged ballots and have placed them on its website for others to view and judge for themselves, Franken will net 100+ votes.

The State Canvassing Board really screwed up on Friday. First it allowed the 133 ballots found "missing" in Hennepin County to be counted (netting Franken 46 votes) - what the hell is the purpose of a recount if you're going to count phantom votes? How do we even know these ballots actually existed?

Secondly, the Board went along with (I believe) the ACORN Secretary of State's suggestion for each of the 87 counties to make independent determinations about whether rejected absentee ballots were done so properly. This allows each county to come up with their own standards - back to Florida 2000 (although not quite as bad). According to the guys at PowerLine, one county is going to count ballots that were not properly signed because the election judge signed it, and the election judge should have spotted the error when receiving the ballot and had the voter sign. Crap. That is clearly an invalid vote and should not be counted. The Minnesota Supreme Court appears to be going along with this folly.

This whole process, which I have previously defended in earlier threads, is descending into Florida 2000 and Washington 2004. The law in Minnesota is very, very clear that if Franken wants to look at the rejected absentee ballots, he must do so through the filing of an election challenge after the State Canvassing Board looks through the challenged ballots and certifies the election. He doesn’t want to wait because for public relations issues, because if the election is certified for Coleman, he’ll most likely begin to lose public support by filing a lawsuit.

But that’s what Minnesota law requires, and for obvious reasons - the uniform determination of which ballots were improperly rejected, and judicial review. When the District Court judge makes a determination about a ballot, either campaign can seek review of that judge’s determination through appeal. The ballots don’t get opened and counted until final review has been made. But the way things are now, people with partisan political intent - on both sides of the aisle - can taint this process. Liberals seem to miss the point that in order to have fair and valid elections, the process must be beyond reproach. But it appears to be win at all cost, damn public confidence.

15 posted on 12/16/2008 12:45:51 PM PST by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: lewisglad

I thought it was Coleman 600 Friday??


16 posted on 12/16/2008 12:46:24 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: justiceseeker93

Ping


17 posted on 12/16/2008 12:47:19 PM PST by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: tomymind
I went to the link to watch the live feed and I thought that was Franken chairing the proceedings! The SOS resembles Franken ... LOL
18 posted on 12/16/2008 1:01:14 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: tomymind

I am going to tell my kids to challenge the results of scantron tests they take in school if they do not get a 100% correct.


19 posted on 12/16/2008 1:18:06 PM PST by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: tomymind

Norm Coleman leads by 239 votes

91 challenged ballots reviewed
as of Tuesday, 3:28 pm


20 posted on 12/16/2008 1:32:52 PM PST by papasmurf (Impeach the illegal bastard!)
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To: GreatOne
According to the Minneapolis Red Star, who have had access to challenged ballots and have placed them on its website for others to view and judge for themselves, Franken will net 100+ votes.

The Star Tribune is projecting that Franken will net more than 300 votes in the challenge process providing him a lead of 140 votes or so. I hope that the Star Tribune is wrong about the projection. I am surprised that the projection involves a large gain for Franken. I had thought that the challenges would net just a small amount of votes for one candidate.

21 posted on 12/16/2008 1:33:09 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: tomymind
Star Tribune has posted the disputed ballots online.

You can see them here.
22 posted on 12/16/2008 1:38:20 PM PST by papasmurf (Impeach the illegal bastard!)
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To: lewisglad

My understanding is that they are counting the Micky Mouse, and Daffy Duck vote. There’s an AP story at GOPUSA.com that I can’t cut and paste.


23 posted on 12/16/2008 1:41:26 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: businessprofessor

Keep in mind that the projections are coming from reviewing actual ballots at the comment section on the website, people who reviewed the ballots themselves came to the same conclusion - Franken will pick up a lot of votes. This really has nothing to do with statistical projections - Franken simply had more voters incapable of properly filling out their ballots. We’ll see.


24 posted on 12/16/2008 1:43:26 PM PST by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: Krodg

Yup


25 posted on 12/16/2008 1:45:04 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: lewisglad

Here:

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2008/december/1215_mn_ballots1.shtml


26 posted on 12/16/2008 1:48:31 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (Pretending the Admin Moderator doesn't exist will result in suspension.)
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To: tomymind
Does anyone know the status of the bag of overseas military ballots that were found intentionally mishandled and left in a warehouse? I have not heard further on this story that was reported weeks ago. Those ballots should favor Coleman easily.
27 posted on 12/16/2008 2:06:30 PM PST by jrooney
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To: jrooney

Any votes that would favor Coleman will be conveniently “misplaced” forever. Count on it.


28 posted on 12/16/2008 2:12:08 PM PST by XenaLee
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To: tomymind
What is the status of these ballots?

Reported here - http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-news/2143528/posts

December 5, 2008

Minneapolis — Minneapolis election officials are still searching for 133 ballots that city officials believe to be missing, as they finish the recount in the U.S. Senate race.

During their search this morning in a Minneapolis warehouse, they found a thin plastic bag that could contain uncounted overseas military ballots from another precinct.

Minneapolis elections director Cindy Reichert says it's "clear the ballots were mishandled."
The Secretary of State's office has asked counties to finish their recount of the Minnesota Senate race by today, although the office has given Minneapolis an extension until Dec. 16 to locate the 133 ballots.
29 posted on 12/16/2008 2:15:33 PM PST by jrooney
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

Minn. Supreme Court intervenes in recount case
AP
Posted on 12/15/2008 3:07:25 PM PST by Chet 99
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2149259/posts


30 posted on 12/16/2008 2:42:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/_______Profile finally updated Saturday, December 6, 2008 !!!)
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To: tomymind

I get the idea. Anyone who has voted for both Coleman and Franken voted for Franken. Barkley’s votes should go to Franken. Any smudge was a vote for Franken.


31 posted on 12/16/2008 3:06:56 PM PST by JimWayne
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To: Slicksadick

“Ballots reviewed:56”

How did those ballots split? That is what is critical right now. Were they all Franken?


32 posted on 12/16/2008 3:21:17 PM PST by dbacks (God help the USA.)
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To: tomymind

ping


33 posted on 12/16/2008 4:12:27 PM PST by Ulysse (.)
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To: tomymind

Wasn’t this complete clusterf*** supposed to be resolved by December 15th?


34 posted on 12/16/2008 4:53:38 PM PST by Recovering Hermit ("A liberal feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he proposes to pay off with your money.")
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To: Slicksadick

Current margin:

Coleman
+264
Ballots reviewed:152
http://www.startribune.com


35 posted on 12/16/2008 5:02:07 PM PST by lewisglad
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To: Krodg
Doesn't matter...they'll quit when the Dems win.

Just like the Dems called it quits when they found enough ballots to elect their Gov.
36 posted on 12/16/2008 5:14:09 PM PST by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Cheerio
Just like the Dems called it quits when they found enough ballots to elect their Gov.

Or until it's bought, like the Presidential election.

37 posted on 12/16/2008 5:40:59 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to Obama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: tomymind

OMG! They have sample challenged ballots. The one I looked at had Norm Coleman completely and thoroughly blacked in and there was a tiny little line on Franken’s name, obviously the voter touched his pen on Franken’s oval and realized it was the wrong name. How this ballot could be challenged in any way is beyond comprehension. It is obviously for Coleman. The voter also voted for McCain/Palin.

http://senaterecount.startribune.com/media/ballotPDFs/becker_DetroitTwp_challengedballot3_F.pdf


38 posted on 12/16/2008 6:26:34 PM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: lewisglad
Coleman's actually picking up votes? This has to be one of the stranger elections I think I've ever seen!
39 posted on 12/16/2008 6:27:09 PM PST by aegiscg47
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To: aegiscg47

Whatever the case may be, it’s highly likely Franken will be seated as Senator. I refuse to use the term “win” because he will not have - he will have stolen it. The primary theft occurred shortly after the election when Coleman’s 700+ vote lead shrunk to 200 by the time the media reported the statistically impossible events.

Make no mistake - we are inching ever closer to “Banana Republic” status.


40 posted on 12/16/2008 7:35:50 PM PST by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn’t caught on in the United States.)
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To: Auntie Mame

This is past insanity. Franken should be charged $10,000 for each challenge that obviously isn’t worth challenging. I still can’t figure out what was worth challenging on Goodview 2, ballot 2. No mark at all on Franken; Coleman clearly marked. The person wrote in an obscenity for his mayoral choice. Other than that, I don’t see the problem.

I’m surprised that the idiot who voted for Obama, Nader AND Barr didn’t include McKinney. Obama and Nader rated two marks each. Poor Barr, only got one scribbled mark. However, in this one, Franken is clearly and solely marked in the senate section. I would be suspicious as to why the voter didn’t turn this botched one in and start over. Or was it and it wasn’t destroyed as it should’ve been?


41 posted on 12/16/2008 7:46:17 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: llevrok; flattorney

Another FReeper (flattorney) makes the truthful case why we’re in this situation - MN SOS is a Commie in the bag for 0

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2148122/posts


42 posted on 12/16/2008 8:05:38 PM PST by AmericanGirlRising (The cow is in the ditch. We know how it got there. Now help me get it out!)
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To: skr; Auntie Mame
See M.S.204C.22 (what I believe is the relevant Minnesota statute, but IANAL). They are calling those overvotes because no attempt was made to erase the stray mark, I think. Also, a stray "identifying mark" on the page can disqualify it.

But this is pretty pathetic, calling this an overvote, unless I'm missing something.

43 posted on 12/16/2008 8:23:51 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: skr
The person wrote in an obscenity for his mayoral choice.

That did it.


Although the statute seems to require intent:

Subd. 13.Identifying ballot.If a ballot is marked by distinguishing characteristics in a manner making it evident that the voter intended to identify the ballot, the entire ballot is defective.
The Star-Tribune is reporting...
Do not count these votes if ...
[...]
A voter places an identifying mark on the ballot, such as writing their initials or making a statement of some kind. (That does not include election judges’ initials.)
The latter doesn't say "intent to identify" is required. I don't know if the Star-Tribune is twisting the statute, or are reporting how the Canvassing Board is interpreting the statute.
44 posted on 12/16/2008 8:30:01 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: lewisglad; Cyber Liberty
Daisy, Goofy, and Donald Duck voted for Coleman.

I wonder if these bozos realize their stunt got their ballot pulled and bogged the process down.

It's good that they are not letting those frivolous challenges hold things up now, though...as long as intent on candidate is clear and there's no intent to identify a ballot when a mark (such as "Mickey Mouse") is made, then the ballot shouldn't be challenged on those grounds.

45 posted on 12/16/2008 8:45:10 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Gondring

Yes, that is pathetic to call that an overvote. A tiny dot on the edge of Franken’s “hole” and a fully filled in blackness in Coleman’s. If these votes are actually not being counted for stuff like this, then something’s really wrong. There’s absolutely no doubt who that voter was voting for. I assume the counting machine counted this ballot correctly, but when they were hand counted it was pulled. If so, this is outrageous!


46 posted on 12/16/2008 9:03:25 PM PST by Auntie Mame (Fear not tomorrow. God is already there.)
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To: Auntie Mame

They actually have a pretty cool feature that (if you register) allows you to see all 6000+ ballots and vote on them yourself. They’re pooling the results of other people’s votes to come up with their own tally. I made it through about 130. They’d feed you random ballots and you could vote Coleman, Franken, Other, Under, Over, etc.

Hardly Scientific. But when I was going through them at about 3 this afternoon, the conglomeration of votes from the masses had Franken winning by 40.


47 posted on 12/16/2008 9:25:30 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: lewisglad

Coleman up by 267 (175 ballots reviewed) now. The more they
count and recount, the better Coleman does. Now what does a
Franken do?? Just declare himself the Senator? It could happen!


48 posted on 12/17/2008 7:28:33 AM PST by LUV W (Now....on to 2012........Palin/Jindal)
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To: LUV W

Oops...up 269...my bad!


49 posted on 12/17/2008 7:29:08 AM PST by LUV W (Now....on to 2012........Palin/Jindal)
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To: GreatOne

The law be damned. Political results are all Dems care about.


50 posted on 12/17/2008 8:19:16 AM PST by fwdude ("...a 'centrist' ... has few principles - and those are negotiable." - Don Feder)
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