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Con Con Is a Terrible Idea
Townhall.com ^ | Tuesday, December 16, 2008 | Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 12/16/2008 3:15:47 PM PST by Greystoke

The mind-boggling amounts of the bailouts Congress has passed and is still debating, plus shocking Wall Street frauds, seem to have plunged some lawmakers into a silly season. Ohio state legislators this month held a surprise hearing on a resolution calling for a national constitutional convention, and then canceled a vote after dozens of citizens showed up to speak against it.

We already have a U.S. Constitution that has withstood the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune for more than two centuries, and we don't need a new constitution. There is nothing wrong with the one we have except that politicians are not obeying it and judges are indulging in too much activism.

The idea that adding new words to the Constitution to require balancing the federal budget, or to give President Barack Obama a line-item veto so he can veto the extravagant spending he has already endorsed, is delusional. The only thing more outlandish is the fanciful notion that a 2009 constitutional convention (colloquially known as a Con Con) could adopt such requirements while avoiding other mistakes...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: concon; constitutional; convention

1 posted on 12/16/2008 3:15:47 PM PST by Greystoke
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To: Greystoke

The Con Con con...


2 posted on 12/16/2008 3:20:58 PM PST by null and void (Hey 0bama? There will be a pop quiz every day for the next four years...miss a question, people die.)
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To: Greystoke
Ohio state legislators this month held a surprise hearing on a resolution calling for a national constitutional convention, and then canceled a vote after dozens of citizens showed up to speak against it.

"Next time we'll have to meet a 3 am."

3 posted on 12/16/2008 3:21:17 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (What's Obama's Secret?)
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To: Greystoke

Tar and feathers.


4 posted on 12/16/2008 3:23:22 PM PST by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: Greystoke
I've debated against Phyllis and her minions in state legislative hearings in at least 20 states. She is trained as a lawyer. So. I presume that she can read and comprehend court cases, including the six that establish that the convening authority for a constitutional convention can limit he authority of that convention.

Her abiding issue is that a constitutional convention cannot be controlled. Therefore, one called for a limited purpose can necessarily conduct itself as a general convention, proposing changes on any and all issues.

If she i a competent lawyer, she knows that this claim is a lie. I think she is competent. I therefore conclude that she is using this lie as an effective fund-raising tool, no more, no less. In short, on this issue, she is a fraud.

Congressman Billybob

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5 posted on 12/16/2008 3:23:44 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (Larest book: www.AmericasOwnersManual.com)
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To: Congressman Billybob

More importantly, even if a convention can’t be controlled it still has to be ratified by 38 state legislatures. That means a single house each in 13 states can block ratification.

The more changes such a convention made, the less likely it is that it would be ratified.

Can anybody seriously think of a single controversial issue that could be ratified? The amendment process just doesn’t work. The only truly controversial issues ever settled by it were the post-civil war amendments. And they were arguably ratified using unconstitutional means.


6 posted on 12/16/2008 3:28:41 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: Sherman Logan
Can anybody seriously think of a single controversial issue that could be ratified?

Personally, I'd like to see a Con Con deliver two issues: (1) the complete elimination of the US Constitution as it is currently applied, and (2) an entirely new Constitution to be ratified by the respective states.

That way, Texas can ratify the first issue, reject the second, and reclaim its Republic status. The remainder of the country can just go its merry old way!

Unlike that unfortunate episode in 1861, the US Government cannot intervene if the Constitution disbands it. Who knows? Maybe several other states would like to join the Republic of Texas.

7 posted on 12/16/2008 3:40:04 PM PST by beancounter13
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To: beancounter13

This country is toast, learn to love it.


8 posted on 12/16/2008 3:51:22 PM PST by Tomato lover (How happy would our world be if men either knew more or practically knew how little they know.)
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To: beancounter13
We would truly become The Peoples' Republic of Washington in that case.
9 posted on 12/16/2008 4:20:29 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: beancounter13

To void the Constitution via an amendment would indeed be fully constitutional. To get what you want the convention would first have to propose your plan, and then 38 states would have to ratify it.

Offhand, that’s about as likely as either of us being elected dictator.


10 posted on 12/16/2008 4:49:53 PM PST by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: Greystoke
I never cease to be amazed at the ignorance surrounding a Convention for Proposing Amendments under Article V of the United States Constitution, which is the proper nomenclature, not "constitutional convention". It's not just FReepers who need to sit down and read their Constitution, but otherwise intelligent people like Mrs. Schlafly.

So once again I will post a link to my essay, vetted by our own Congressman Billybob, a constitutional lawyer, who made sure I got the facts right.

"A Convention for Proposing Amendments...as Part of This Constitution"

11 posted on 12/16/2008 4:52:31 PM PST by Publius
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To: Publius
I remember that thread of yours and a fine one it was.

However most of the old time conservatives battle reactionaries who would like to have a new constitutional convention for purposes of opening pandoras box -- no matter how limited we would structured it to be, it would get out of hand if held.

We must remember the first Constituional Convention. It was never foreseen to be tasked with the making of a whole new government at the time. The breadth of its achievement was unexpected and some corners were outraged that the Articles of Confederation were just cast aside.

12 posted on 12/16/2008 5:06:39 PM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free...their passions forge their fetters.)
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To: null and void

Too bad the third plane hit the Pentagon.


13 posted on 12/16/2008 6:14:46 PM PST by tired1 (responsibility without authority is slavery!)
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To: Sherman Logan

I agree, my two-part proposal would only be done so that 38 states would ratify the first part —most states would think that the second part would naturally follow.

Those states that don’t ratify the second part become de facto Republics.

I can live with that.


14 posted on 12/17/2008 11:18:46 AM PST by beancounter13
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