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How to Help People Whose Home Values Are Underwater
WSJ ^ | Nov 18, 2008 | By MARTIN FELDSTEIN

Posted on 12/19/2008 3:57:17 PM PST by fightinJAG

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To: fightinJAG
Not my problem and it's not the governments either.
61 posted on 12/19/2008 6:17:13 PM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority

. . . and then the insurance companies could apply for TARP funds. Brilliant idea!


62 posted on 12/19/2008 6:17:34 PM PST by Paraclete
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To: fightinJAG
When a home has lost 20% of its value, as many have, the owner can forgetabout refi.

Just why would someone that is already underwater want to refinance??? To what end!!!!

63 posted on 12/19/2008 6:21:36 PM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: fightinJAG
Point One:The point is to give these folks who are willing to do this (or feel they should) some incentive to keep paying that mortgage-—the one the banks gave them with “NO RECOURSE”-—meaning: the bank cannot go after the borrower for any deficiency, which of course will arise because by definition the home cannot be sold for what it is worth.

That is not necessarily true, in most states you can have your attorney make a deed from you to the mortgage company/bank and have him, the attorney deliver it, you walk and don't have a bad credit, make sure you have moved out of the home and you have it inspected and filmed.

Point 2

If a bank told such a homeowner, we’ll give you a loan that is collateralized by certain personal property/equity stakes, etc., you put that collateralized loan toward your mortgage debt, then we refi the remaining mortgage debt, the lender gets a partially secured loan, the homeowner gets a lower rate/monthly payments, what’s the problem?

Makes no mathematical sense!!! If you cannot pay the first mortgage you cannot pay two mortgages and if you cannot pay the first, you damn sure cannot, in the long run pay the additional expenses and maintenance of long term home ownership at this level, find a cheaper home.

64 posted on 12/19/2008 6:51:15 PM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: wendy1946

Exactly. It is grossly arrogant, and not very conservative for a Freeper (the original poster) to propose robbing us to help him. He supports organized looting.

He bought at the top of the market and wants us to pay his bill. Ignorant. My wife and I sold four years ago and bought a VERY cheap house with the cash from the sale. We lived within our means. Those who payed ridiculous prices for more house than they could afford need to take their medicine.


65 posted on 12/19/2008 6:54:48 PM PST by ExpatGator (Extending logic since 1961.)
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To: fightinJAG; All

It matters less what is done, in the specifics, as long as the result is a recognition that many homes - in some specific regional and local markets - were vastly over valued, and neither “affordability” nor normal building and selling prospects will return until many median-home prices have declined enough.

Propping up inflated-property/capital values delays economic recoveries instead of helping them.

It’s harsh medicine, but it results from the harsh reality of how out-of-kilter the values were artificially boosted, and the sooner the medicine is taken, the sooner more stable markets can return.


66 posted on 12/19/2008 10:41:21 PM PST by Wuli
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
.....leave it an empty, worthless shell with no plumbing, wiring or metal hardware.

And someone still has to carry insurance and pay property taxes on that worthless shell plus the cost of maintenance - yard care, etc.

67 posted on 12/20/2008 2:13:56 AM PST by REPANDPROUDOFIT
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To: Wuli
It’s harsh medicine, but it results from the harsh reality of how out-of-kilter the values were artificially boosted, and the sooner the medicine is taken, the sooner more stable markets can return.

With all do respect to Dr. Feldstein, I find it rather absurd that I would be asked to subsidize the lifestyle of spend thrift Floridians and Californians while I freeze my tail off here in the frozen Midwest.

I have a friend who recently retired. He lives in a nice mobile home in a quite mobile home park. He sacrificed to put 3 children through college. Why should someone like him subsidize home buyers that made bad choices?

68 posted on 12/20/2008 6:54:53 AM PST by EVO X
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To: org.whodat

To lower their monthly payments so they don’t have to redeem so much worthless paper out of their retirement investment accounts.


69 posted on 12/26/2008 8:50:28 PM PST by fightinJAG (Good riddance, UAW.)
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To: fightinJAG

If they miss payments throw them out in the street!!!!


70 posted on 12/26/2008 9:00:24 PM PST by dalereed
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To: fightinJAG
Wondered what happened to you.If you want a way to correct this, ask for a law allowing reversal, new homes only, you have all parties involved in the same room. Builder, broker, appraiser, mortgage originator, and you the buyer. You write a check for rent, then all other parties return their funds, balance the books, and the builder gets his home back.
71 posted on 12/27/2008 6:48:30 AM PST by org.whodat (Conservatives don't vote for Bailouts for Super-Rich Bankers! Republicans do!)
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To: fightinJAG
No!No! No! And I am one who is in this kind of danger!
I will not take part in the destruction of this country!
No more damn Bailouts!
I pay my bills even though I have made it hard for myself.
The Government will not be my saviour!
72 posted on 12/27/2008 7:04:22 AM PST by right way right (Do not mistake Religion for God.)
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To: Tarpon
Well, if you said pay or the gulag, that might work.

That threat is only used on taxpayers. ;)

73 posted on 12/27/2008 7:06:25 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: fightinJAG

Unfortunately, whatever it is they’ve been smoking in New York for the last 20 years isn’t selling to the heartland.....


74 posted on 12/27/2008 7:10:00 AM PST by mo
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To: fightinJAG

I am not sure what the problem is.

I signed a contract for oil at 4.25 and am locked in. The real value of the oil is now about a dollar and changed. But I still have to pay on the contract.

If I purchase a home for 500000 and it is no longer worth 500000 well I made a bad inverstment but I still made a contract. I can live in the home and pay it off. I can also negotiate with my town to lower my tax bill if it was reently reassessed.

If I bought a non home to flip. I guess I give the house tothe bank. Or rent it.


75 posted on 12/27/2008 7:22:02 AM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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To: Chickensoup

Ordinarily, of course that wuold be the approach.

But if the collective impact of these individual transactions is economic gridlock that cannot be budged by any other means, it’s time to at least consider-—though not automatically run to-—what other approaches might have a chance of being effective.

Wholesale, permanent wealth destruction is a different risk than the usual impact of charging off usual consumer debt.


76 posted on 12/27/2008 2:01:16 PM PST by fightinJAG (Good riddance, UAW.)
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