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Plane Crash at Denver International
Incidentpage.net ^ | 12/20/2008 | IPN

Posted on 12/20/2008 6:18:33 PM PST by Right_Handed_Writer

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To: aviator; Carley
Flight plan had it on a "PLAINS4" initial departure course. I fly out of DIA several times a year. That is a departure on runway 8. Plenty of length. But...looking at the weather data (METAR) for that time frame, they were reporting gusts over 25 knots from the west. That's a helluva tail wind to take off with. Takeoffs are usually INTO the wind, not with it...

"SPECI KDEN 210134Z 29024G32KT 10SM FEW040 SCT100 M04/M18 A2998 RMK AO2 PK WND 28036/0123"

that's a 36 knot wind gust just 20 degrees off of a straight tail wind right at 6:23PM, minutes after ther reported 6:20PM time of the incident.

61 posted on 12/20/2008 7:19:35 PM PST by Right_Handed_Writer (Socialism is the rest stop on the way from Capitalism to Communism)
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To: Right_Handed_Writer

Wing on fire. Do you think it touched down in a downward wind burst.

Prayers for everyone on that plane.


62 posted on 12/20/2008 7:23:40 PM PST by Carley
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To: Phsstpok

The source is from the link. I used a the copy paste function in a Firefox browser that lets you selected html code from the webpage. I do it all the time and paste the html code on FR. :-)


63 posted on 12/20/2008 7:24:17 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Gondring

>Of course, those rivers might be the choice of landing spots if you were to go down.<

Sorry but fire trucks nor EMT’s do not carry boats as standard equipment. Bad choice!


64 posted on 12/20/2008 7:26:28 PM PST by B4Ranch (Veterans: "There is no expiration date on our oath, to protect America from all enemies, ...")
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To: Right_Handed_Writer

IS it typical to depart runway 8? Seems odd... isn’t a 280 wind pretty typical for there?


65 posted on 12/20/2008 7:27:35 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Denver to Houston?

I have a grandson who left (visiting gramma) Maine on way to Houston, Weds, - on leave after 15 months in the ‘Ghan. Due to storm in Maine, they were several hours getting off the ground and missed connection in NJ.

He stayed with friends in NYC with a flight scheduled out today. With the backup of passengers, I know they often get zig zagged routes to destination. Now I’m going to be very anxious until I hear ;o(


66 posted on 12/20/2008 7:28:01 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: NormsRevenge
The flight was Continental Airlines flight 1404 and was leaving from Denver and heading to Houston
67 posted on 12/20/2008 7:30:48 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: Gondring

According to Julie King, a spokeswoman for Continental Airlines, flight 1404 from Denver to Houston was trying to take off but instead it “exited the runway.”

“It went off the runway,” said Assistant Fire Chief Steve Garrod of Denver Fire.

Officials at DIA say the plane, which had 107 passengers and five crew members onboard, caught fire, but emergency crews were able to extinguish the blaze.

Garrod says 26 people suffered non life-threatening injuries. Continental Airlines, which initially reported there were no serious injuries, says some of the 26 injured were suffering from broken bones and strained backs. The injured passengers were taken to local hospitals, including Denver Health Medical Center and University Hospital.

Crew members on the plane had to activate the evacuation chutes, according to DIA officials, in order to get everyone off the aircraft safely.

Garrod says after the aircraft was evacuated, the fire spread inside the aircraft, and crews had to go inside to extinguish it.

Numerous emergency vehicles were dispatched to the airport, including several ambulances.

Garrod says the wings of the aircraft were cracked and the fuselage was cracked in the accident.

Officials at DIA say the accident occurred on runway 34 Right, around 6:18 p.m.

Garrod says there were no injuries related to the smoke that he has seen.

The National Transportation Safety Board will investigate the crash to determine the cause.

The runway was clear of snow and ice at the time, according to officials.

9NEWS Meteorologist Marty Coniglio says roughly 15 minutes after the flight attempted to take off there was a 31 knot crosswind, which is about 36 mph. It was not immediately known if weather was a factor in the accident.

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=106325&catid=339


68 posted on 12/20/2008 7:31:46 PM PST by maggief
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To: Gondring; B4Ranch

Air Florida Flight 90 tells me a river landing is suboptimal.


69 posted on 12/20/2008 7:33:25 PM PST by NonValueAdded (once you get to really know people, there are always better reasons than [race] for despising them.)
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To: aviator
Very long runways at DEN. Incredible that the plane would go off the end of the runway.,

could be icing

70 posted on 12/20/2008 7:37:22 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("He has the right to criticize who has the heart to help" Lincoln)
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To: B4Ranch
Sorry but fire trucks nor EMT’s do not carry boats as standard equipment. Bad choice!

Agreed (unless the river is near departure or destination and there's no better alternative, but sometimes it's not a choice, as in Air Florida Flight 90.

71 posted on 12/20/2008 7:40:38 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: NonValueAdded
Air Florida Flight 90 tells me a river landing is suboptimal.

Same with hitting a bridge.

72 posted on 12/20/2008 7:41:16 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Palladin
Boeing 737, 300/400/500

73 posted on 12/20/2008 7:42:19 PM PST by higgmeister (In the Shadow of The Big Chicken!)
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To: Right_Handed_Writer

ATIS information India indicates that they are taking off to the North. Low level wind shear and moderate turbulence reported in the area.


74 posted on 12/20/2008 7:43:57 PM PST by aviator (Armored Pest Control)
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To: 19th LA Inf
“Once at Dallas Love Field I was on board a Braniff 727 which made what seemed to me to be a very hard stop during an aborted takeoff due to somebody getting in the way. “

Love Field is the reason I no longer fly (except maybe an emergency). Anyway, in 1969 I was returning from Tampa and seated on a window seat next to two NASA pilots. I enjoyed the chat and when we came in to land, the plane tilted drastically to port (my side).

I looked out and could see the shadow from the wing just under the wing. We were inches (2-4?) from scraping.

The pilot got the hulk back under control and brought her in. At de-planing? the pilot came out and he was white as a sheet. Both NASA pilots said that was as close to a crash as they had ever been.

I was too ignorant of flying to appreciate the danger but time has made the situation sink in.

75 posted on 12/20/2008 7:44:55 PM PST by dbacks (God help the USA.)
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To: lainde

Prayers for all who are traveling during this holiday.

Prayers your brother is safe and sound.


76 posted on 12/20/2008 7:47:13 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (FREE BLAGO!!! LET HIM SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER!!!)
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To: B4Ranch

I agree..and drowning? Yeesh.


77 posted on 12/20/2008 7:48:20 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (FREE BLAGO!!! LET HIM SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER!!!)
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To: lainde

This was a flight departing Denver, so he’s likely fine.


78 posted on 12/20/2008 7:49:10 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: aviator; Right_Handed_Writer
ATIS information India indicates that they are taking off to the North.

That would be consistent with the gust being described as a crosswind.

79 posted on 12/20/2008 7:51:03 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: dbacks

I’m a member in good standing with the White Knuckle Fliers of America.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_11280093


80 posted on 12/20/2008 7:51:06 PM PST by rdl6989
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