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Cars are better, but in Consumer Reports Annual Auto Issue, Honda, Toyota and Subaru have the least problems while Ford GM and Chrysler are near the bottom. Ford is mid-pack.

Why should I spend my hard earned money on a LESSER quality vehicle? That's the real issue.

10 posted on 12/24/2008 7:30:15 AM PST by Leo Farnsworth (I'm not really Leo Farnsworth...)
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“Cars are better, but in Consumer Reports Annual Auto Issue, Honda, Toyota and Subaru have the least problems while Ford GM and Chrysler are near the bottom. Ford is mid-pack.”

I have to say, I think part of that is due to the impression American cars are crap. I knew people who had major problems with their new Honda, but it was “just a fluke”, as they would say. I cannot imagine them saying that if it was an American car. I think people are harder critics of American cars because any little thing that does go wrong is expected due to their past track record.


17 posted on 12/24/2008 7:37:20 AM PST by Londo Molari
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"Cars are better, but in Consumer Reports Annual Auto Issue, Honda, Toyota and Subaru have the least problems while Ford GM and Chrysler are near the bottom. Ford is mid-pack."

< And THERE is the crux of the issue. Yes, American cars have improved, but the foreign competition has improved more. And in many cases, those improved cars are built in American factories, by American labor.

23 posted on 12/24/2008 7:46:02 AM PST by Wonder Warthog ( The Hog of Steel)
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Why should I spend my hard earned money on a LESSER quality vehicle? That's the real issue.

Because you dare not risk having Pat Buchanan call you a traitor. ;)

26 posted on 12/24/2008 7:49:18 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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I went to JD Power to check on the "quality" of the 2008 cars. They report the ranking by nameplate. If you take out the luxury cars, the list would look like this:

1. Toyota

2. Mercury

3. Honda

4. Ford

5. Chevrolet

6. Hyundai

7. Pontiac

8. Buick

9. Acura

10.Kia

5 of the top ten name plates are US branded plates, with a Ford product as #2 and GM having 3 of the top 10.

Here's the complete list with the luxury or high end cars included:

1. Porsche

2. Infiniti

3. Lexus

4. Toyota

5. Mercury

6. Honda

7. Ford

8. Jaguar

9. Audi

10. Cadillac

11. Chevrolet

12. Hyundai

13. Pontiac

14. Lincoln

15. Buick

16. Acura

17. Kia

18. Nissan

19. Volvo

20. BMW

21. GMC

22. Mazda

23. Volkswagen

24. HUMMER

25. Subaru

26. Scion

27. Dodge

28. Chrysler

29. Mitsubishi

30. SAAB

31. Suzuki

32. Saturn

33. Land Rover

34. MINI

35. Jeep

45 posted on 12/24/2008 8:03:50 AM PST by joesbucks (Sarah Palin: "I believe John McCain is the best leader that we have in the nation right now,)
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Cars are better, but in Consumer Reports Annual Auto Issue, Honda, Toyota and Subaru have the least problems while Ford GM and Chrysler are near the bottom.

That Subaru WRX is an awesome machine.

The only new American car I like is the Corvette and since I am getting robbed to pay for it, I want to go pick one off the lot... the rest of them can rust, I'll never buy one again.

47 posted on 12/24/2008 8:05:58 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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The real issue with American brand cars (Ford, GM & Chrysler not Honda Toyota etc) is that the quality was lower that the “Foreign” brands. My Honda Civic had 358,000 miles on it when I sold it. My new Oldsmobile diesel ran 27 miles before requiring an injection pump rebuild (not replaced with a new one). My mother’s Buick Century( they always bought Buicks) had a warped head at 9,000 miles which she paid to repair. At about 11,000 miles it was warped again in addition to requiring a transmission repair. Buick would not stand behind their product.
When it came time for me to buy another car, what do you think I chose. The Americans brands that I have looked are clearly inferior the the Japanese equivalent brands (not that they are perfect either).

GMC, Chrysler, and Ford have to recognize that they compete globally not just in the US. As such they have to go head to head with Toyoto and Honda and produce a better product. IMHO.

On another level, it is apparent to an outside observer, that their management has made several bad decisions with respect to their product lines and unions. They have caved in to the UAW and expect the customer to pay for their mistakes. I am a firm believer that every employee should get a good days pay for a good day’s labor.


88 posted on 12/24/2008 9:37:43 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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Yes, the article notes:
“The incidence of problems, recalls, etc. is actually lower for some American-brand cars than for Toyota and Honda.”
But that’s comparing certain Big Three vehicle models against the corporate average for Toyota or Honda (Nissan is, sad to say as someone who likes Nissan, not so good). However, I think we can fairly compare Cadillac or Lincoln to Lexus or Acura - A Cadillac is just a Chevy, really, but by the same token a Lexus is really just a Toyota - and they come out pretty well there.

I personally generally prefer the interior fit and finish, and driving characteristics, of Japanese cars, but I think it’s fair to say that at least some vehicle models from the big 3 are as good as, or even better than, their Japanese competition. And some of the models produced by the much-respected Toyota and Honda are pretty miserable. I must admit that I really didn’t give the domestics fair consideration the last time I was car shopping. I mean sure, they built a lot of crap for years, but not so many years ago Hyundais were a joke, and today they build a pretty decent car.


101 posted on 12/24/2008 1:32:44 PM PST by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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