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Bible, cross bumped from altars (Veterans Administration)
One News Now ^ | 12/24/2008 | Chad Groening

Posted on 12/24/2008 8:56:41 AM PST by Between the Lines

It's not acceptable, says a retired employee of the Veterans Administration, that Bibles and crosses are no longer being placed on the altars of VA facilities across the country.

Bob Wieters is a Vietnam veteran who retired from the VA in 1996 after more than 32 years of federal civil service. The Pineville, Louisiana, man was appalled when he learned what happened to a fellow veteran at a VA facility in North Carolina.

"He was arrested because he...kept placing the Bible and the cross back on the altar at the VA in North Carolina," Weiters relates. "[S]o when I heard that, I went to our local VA here -- and sure enough, I found the Bible and the cross on the floor next to the altar."

Wieters says he learned that the VA is apparently giving in to the demands of someone who does not want the Christian items displayed at VA chapels.

"There was a lawsuit that was filed against the Department of Veterans Affairs, and it is currently in some sort of court litigation," says the war veteran. "But in the interim...the VA as a whole [has decided] to remove the cross and the Bible from all altars at the VA nationwide, which I think is completely wrong."

Wieters says he has not been able to find out who is behind the suit, but he is adamant that the floor is no place for the Bible and the cross. So he has decided to fight the policy and stand up for the freedom that millions of veterans have fought for over the years.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: chapel; christians; purge; veterans; veteransaffairs

1 posted on 12/24/2008 8:56:41 AM PST by Between the Lines
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To: Between the Lines

A sign of the times, my man, just a sign of the times.

Things from this point are only going to get worse.

Evil never stops on its on. It always must be forced to stop.


2 posted on 12/24/2008 9:00:52 AM PST by sport
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To: Between the Lines
"But in the interim...the VA as a whole [has decided] to remove the cross and the Bible from all altars at the VA nationwide, which I think is completely wrong."

Therein lies the problem: There is no one left in authority with ANY spine to stand against PC nonsense. From the highest levels of federal government, to state, to cities, right down even to many neighborhood associations, one liberal voices some PC nonsense and everybody just slinks away in compliance without a fight. I'm sick of it and will personally not participate. I will not attend "holiday parties." I respond to "happy holidays" greetings with "Merry Christmas!"

MM (in TX)

3 posted on 12/24/2008 9:01:26 AM PST by MississippiMan
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To: MississippiMan

The guy collecting money for the Salvation Army at the local Kroger wished me a happy holiday...go figure.


4 posted on 12/24/2008 9:04:45 AM PST by Radl (rtr)
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To: Radl
The guy collecting money for the Salvation Army at the local Kroger wished me a happy holiday...go figure.

When you encounter it, cheerfully remind them that this is Christmas and that saying "Merry Christmas" is a GOOD thing. Many will follow your lead.

MM (in TX)

5 posted on 12/24/2008 9:06:36 AM PST by MississippiMan
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To: MississippiMan

I make them sing if I’m to donate. Just a few bars of Jingle Bells will do.


6 posted on 12/24/2008 9:09:49 AM PST by DeLaine (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. Jefferson)
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To: sport

Ironic that it is these anti-Christian, Godless aholes that are the very ones that are fulfilling Christian biblical prophecy. Ironic that they’re not even aware of their participation in their own ultimate demise.

And yeah, it’s only going to get worse from here on. It’s positively surreal. If you had told me back in the 1980’s that one day we would be discussing this problem with a closet-Muslim as CIC, I’d have said you were insane. Instead, the world has gone insane.

Like the movie said.....it’s time to make a stand.


7 posted on 12/24/2008 9:10:28 AM PST by XenaLee
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To: Between the Lines
Wieters says he has not been able to find out who is behind the suit

I wish just once these whiners would have the courage of their convictions and publicly reveal themselves as the culprits of these deeds. If they feel so strongly about the issue, then why are they afraid to show their faces?

8 posted on 12/24/2008 9:21:51 AM PST by sportutegrl
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To: XenaLee

yes, and years ago I couldn’t comprehend that Christians would be persecuted.....now it’s all coming to pass.


9 posted on 12/24/2008 9:25:00 AM PST by FES0844 (FES0844)
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To: sport

“Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet deprecate
agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground.
They want rain without thunder and lightening. They want the
ocean without the awful roar of its waters.
This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical
one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a
struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never
did, and it never will. Find out just what a people will submit
to, and you have found out the exact amount of injustice and
wrong which will be imposed upon them; and these will continue
until they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both.
The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those
whom they oppress.” Frederick Douglass August 4, 1857

Douglass was, of course, referring to slavery.

The battle we face now is a far more important one: It involves the VERY SOUL — AND SURVIVAL — OF THE NATION.


10 posted on 12/24/2008 9:27:40 AM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Dick Bachert

There still is religious services at our local VA every week. The Catholic Mass, Protestant services, Jewish services and any other such service requested is given a time and place to occur. Also, mostly all these services are videotaped for veterans who are not able to attend; they can watch them in their in-room televisions.


11 posted on 12/24/2008 9:46:18 AM PST by tenthirteen
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To: Dick Bachert
I've actually heard a lot more Merry Christmas greetings..from shopkeepers, etc this year....

...but in reality this business with the VA is a sign of things to come...

..be prepared.

12 posted on 12/24/2008 9:47:46 AM PST by Guenevere
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To: Dick Bachert

He may have been talking about slavery but he was right on the money about power.


13 posted on 12/24/2008 9:48:02 AM PST by dominic flandry
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To: Dick Bachert

Amen to that! And up to this point in time as evidenced by the event[s] of November 4, 2008, we are losing.


14 posted on 12/24/2008 10:04:23 AM PST by sport
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To: Between the Lines
It's not acceptable, says a retired employee of the Veterans Administration, that Bibles and crosses are no longer being placed on the altars of VA facilities across the country.

What kind of "facilities" are these? Are these chapels in veterans hospitals? The complaint is also vague. If members come to attend a service, are they scheduled by denomination? I would think a Bible would have to come as a matter of fact for a Christian service and a Torah for a Jewish service. But, I don't see the need to leave a particular Bible/Torah on an alter if it is shared with multiple religions.

15 posted on 12/24/2008 10:27:50 AM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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