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An Evangelical Bridge Too Far
Townhall ^ | December 28, 2008 | David R. Stokes

Posted on 12/28/2008 5:12:42 AM PST by rhema

The recent furor over President-Elect Barack Obama’s selection of California mega-church pastor Rick Warren to pray at the January 20th inauguration yields a few clues about what evangelicals can expect during the next four years.

On the surface, playing the Warren card appears to be a masterstroke by Obama – one that further demonstrates impressive political skills. A day or so after the election, I was asked by someone about what Mr. Obama would do to prepare for his administration. I replied that I thought he would demonstrate significant savvy by – at least for the time being – ignoring the clamorous pleas from core constituencies, the kind of people who will support and vote for him no matter what. And I suggested he would reach out to those who view him with fear – or at least mild suspicion.

That’s pretty much what number 44 has done. He has confounded those who voted for “real change we can believe in” by putting together a crafty combination of a third Clinton term on most things, and a third Bush term on issues relating to the war in Iraq.

This brings me back to Rick Warren’s upcoming supplication in Washington. Evangelicals – especially younger ones – played a key role in Barack Obama’s ability to counter clear problems with his own church and pastor. They also, in many cases, overtly campaigned for him, his decidedly non-evangelical views on abortion and other traditional values issues notwithstanding.

Mr. Obama is viewed by many evangelicals as a new kind of politician - someone who can bridge the gap, or reach out, or maybe begin a dialogue. Just pick your mantra. But before any kind of modern-day Great Awakening is declared, some should take a serious look at how Rev. Warren’s selection to offer a simple prayer has become such a controversial matter.

Evangelicals, those who take the Bible and their faith seriously, need to realize that when it comes to issues like gay marriage – even abortion – there is not really any middle ground with those on the left, even the so-called Christian left.

Rick Warren has spent a great deal of time and money, investing his ministry in initiatives that are outside of the normal evangelical box. He has worked tirelessly in Africa and elsewhere on the issue of AIDS – and has cultivated a compassionate and understanding persona when it comes to dealing with issues and ministry challenges stemming from same-sex attraction.

What Warren has not done, nor will he ever do, is to reach the point where he declares that homosexual behavior is not sinful. He will not do this because he is a Biblicist.

No matter how understanding evangelicals are and how sincere some are to open a dialogue with same-sex marriage advocates and activists, there can be no real rapprochement without the willingness to change the way the Bible is read and interpreted.

And that would be an evangelical bridge too far.

Conservative evangelicals possess a belief-system rooted in a movement popularized nearly 100 years ago and that reached its peak at the mid-point of the roaring twenties. Fundamentalism - part dogma, part culture, part reaction to culture - and in large measure driven by several key and dynamic personalities - was at its high water mark as a social phenomenon. Though certainly no fan, in fact a persistent critic, of the movement, H. L. Mencken, the caustic journalistic sage of Baltimore, observed its clear influence, writing at the time: “Heave an egg out of a Pullman window, and you will hit a fundamentalist almost anywhere in the United States today.

From 1910-1915 a series of twelve books was published and widely distributed to conservative-minded Christians around the country under the title The Fundamentals. A year before the first edition appeared, a wealthy Californian had been inspired, listening to a sermon by Chicago preacher, A.C. Dixon, to “bring the Bible’s true message to its most faithful believers.” Very soon he developed the concept for the publishing of “a series of inexpensive paperback books, containing the best teachings of the best Bible teachers in the world.” After The Great War (1914-1918), a movement took root, one based on the ideas in The Fundamentals, and that would transcend “various conservative Christian traditions.”

During the 1920s, most of the great protestant denominations experienced internal convulsions over issues raised – sometimes vociferously – by fundamentalists in the ranks. Of particular concern to some was the growing tendency on the part of religious “liberals” to question long-held dogmas of the faith.

Opposite the fundamentalists were the “modernists” – and they openly challenged things seen as precious to true believers everywhere. Harry Emerson Fosdick – a leading modernist protestant pastor – suggested an alternative narrative for the virgin birth. Jesus was likely (in his thinking) fathered by a soldier. The scriptural story could not possibly be true. And the resurrection – well, come on now – really? Rising from the dead – I mean, that’s just too incredible for “modern-intelligent” minds to accept.

And everything depended on what you believed about the Bible itself.

To fundamentalists it was the inspired Word of God. By this they meant the “verbal-plenary inspiration” of scripture. In other words, the “words” were inspired – and the book itself was in its entirety. And when it came to interpretation, fundamentalists opted for what they called, “the historical-grammatical” method – what the words meant in context and back then (think: “strict construction” of the U.S. Constitution – what did the founders and framers mean? Etc.).

Why is it important to know this? Well, because the evangelical movement grew out of fundamentalism. Led by people like Billy Graham and Harold John Ockenga – and schools like Moody Bible Institute and Wheaton College – the idea was to keep the solid “doctrinal” stuff – Biblicism and the centrality of Jesus Christ and his “finished work,” while moving away from the strident, often belligerent, methods of the earlier generation of fundamentalists.

A new-breed of evangelical “whiz kids” took the religious Model-T of the fundamentalists and popularized it to a post-war/Cold War nation. They even had a saying in the Youth for Christ movement in those days (where Graham got his start): “Geared to the Times, but Anchored to the Rock.”

Rick Warren and millions of others today remain faithful to these ideas. Though attempts are made to build bridges – to reach out – it is only for the purpose of bringing people to a relationship with Jesus.

Though I hesitate to put words in Rick Warren’s mouth, or speak definitively as to where he stands – I am quite confident that his view of scripture is very much in line with the 1950s evangelicals – even the 1920s fundamentalists. It is a high view of the Bible – inspired of God, interpreted careful, and applied personally.

This is a view commonly shared by conservative evangelicals across the denominational landscape. And it is why some evangelicals need to face the music. No matter how much you try to love, reach out, dialogue, and build bridges, the other guys are not going to be happy short of the abandonment of the Bible as a serious document relevant to our times.

Unless evangelicals are willing to say that the Bible does not call homosexual behavior sinful, no amount of posturing will change anything.

It is sort of like the Israeli-PLO land-for-peace narrative. It will never work because the PLO does not think Israel should exist. Conceded acreage will not assuage that.

Nor will “reaching out” assuage those who believe that anyone who takes the Bible seriously on the matter of homosexuality is, ipso facto, a bigot filled with hate.

The Apostle Paul knew a thing or two about people and bridge building. He told the Corinthians that he was always willing to reinvent himself in order to connect with others. But the connection he desired with others was designed to bring them to a place of faith in Jesus.

Many evangelicals are firmly, optimistically, and sincerely on the Barack-Bridge, but they may soon realize that in order to cross it completely en route to the new promised land of change, they will have to lighten their load and leave some stuff behind.

And among the things discarded will be a lot of Bibles.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; bho2008; bhoinauguration; christian; evangelical; evangelicals; homosexualmarriage; obama; obamatransitionfile; prolife; rickwarren; warren
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1 posted on 12/28/2008 5:12:43 AM PST by rhema
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To: Caleb1411; wagglebee; LiteKeeper; Salvation; cpforlife.org; MHGinTN

2 posted on 12/28/2008 5:14:42 AM PST by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema
That’s pretty much what number 44 has done. He has confounded those who voted for “real change we can believe in” by putting together a crafty combination of a third Clinton term on most things, and a third Bush term on issues relating to the war in Iraq.

All of Clinton's integrity, paired with Bush's foreign policy expertise. I imagine the Obamanauts are thrilled.

What Warren has not done, nor will he ever do, is to reach the point where he declares that homosexual behavior is not sinful. He will not do this because he is a Biblicist.

I thought the word was "Christian" not "Biblicist".

3 posted on 12/28/2008 5:21:36 AM PST by MathDoc (Don't blame me, I voted for Governor Palin and the wrinkly white-haired guy)
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To: rhema
Unless evangelicals are willing to say that the Bible does not call homosexual behavior sinful, no amount of posturing will change anything.

The truth must be denied. Liberals have been demanding this since the first day Christ was crucified.

4 posted on 12/28/2008 5:21:57 AM PST by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: rhema
On the surface, playing the Warren card appears to be a masterstroke by Obama – one that further demonstrates impressive political skills.

It's not going to look like so much of a masterstroke if the enraged gay activists that have been targeting Mormons of late turn their violent fury upon the Obama administration.

5 posted on 12/28/2008 5:22:19 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: rhema

I’m certainly not a Warren fan, but this an excellent and truthful article.


6 posted on 12/28/2008 5:34:20 AM PST by Coldwater Creek ("There is no insanity greater than electing a pathological Narcissist as president.")
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To: rhema

bump for later


7 posted on 12/28/2008 5:37:39 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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As an Born Again Christian, no amount of sugar coating by Obama and his minions will change the fact that the Bible is the word of God and inspired by Him. JN3:16. We believe that Jesus is our Lord and Savior and only through Him can we be saved. The Bible is what it is and cannot be loosely interpreted. Amen.
8 posted on 12/28/2008 5:52:57 AM PST by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: rhema

The best thing Rick Warren can do is take a page out of Pope John Paul II’s book and speak the truth even if it makes 0bama and his supporters squirm on his “big day”.


9 posted on 12/28/2008 6:22:41 AM PST by yawningotter
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To: rhema
Mr. Obama is viewed by many evangelicals as a new kind of politician - someone who can bridge the gap, or reach out, or maybe begin a dialogue.

He is viewed by this one as a charlatan and a liar. And Mr. Warren is an aider and abettor. I have no time for either.

10 posted on 12/28/2008 6:26:08 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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To: rhema
No matter how much you try to love, reach out, dialogue, and build bridges, the other guys are not going to be happy short of the abandonment of the Bible as a serious document relevant to our times.

Exactly.

And that is why one shouldn't abandon the clear truths and teachings of the Bible for fleeting "popularity". To do so weakens it's message.

In time, many of those attacking the Word Of God for their own sinful reasons will themselves come to realize it is true. I know that has been the case for me and I know lots of others in the same boat.

11 posted on 12/28/2008 6:38:13 AM PST by Gritty (God sends no one away empty except those who are full of themselves - Dwight L. Moody)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
He is viewed by this one as a charlatan and a liar. And Mr. Warren is an aider and abettor. I have no time for either.

I'm with you, Colonel. I can hardly wait to see how these pro-Obama Christians spin their way out of Obama's support for FOCA.

Truthfully, I think it will die in the Senate, allowing pro-choicers to have it both ways.

If I'm wrong, then the Culture War reaches DEFCON 5. Catholic bishops have set the stage, and will not be able to stay silent.

Politicians who call themselves "Catholic" will have to decide whether they're truly Catholics.

I still can't reconcile the oxymoron "pro-choice Christian", unless the choice is life.

12 posted on 12/28/2008 6:54:42 AM PST by Night Hides Not (Don't blame me...I voted for Palin!)
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To: rhema
This brings me back to Rick Warren’s upcoming supplication in Washington. Evangelicals – especially younger ones – played a key role in Barack Obama’s ability to counter clear problems with his own church and pastor. They also, in many cases, overtly campaigned for him, his decidedly non-evangelical views on abortion and other traditional values issues notwithstanding.

Yes, and for all we know Warren himself could have voted for the 'ONE'. Politics has always been about paying to play/pray. Remember no matter what the Clintons did all approval polls described their approval at 66%.

This was when I discovered that all the Warren/Graham followers I would meet, from the top down on the fittest scale, always voted democrat. algore was punished for NOT running on the Clintons bandwagon.

These people that I know, believe the media lies about Republicans being for the 'rich' and getting 'rich' by walking on the weak and downtrodden. More specifically they are NOT 'compassionate'!!! Now a large number of these people have their bags packed because they believe they are OUT of here when the 'trouble' starts. And so maybe their God needs their help to expedite the beginning of the 'trouble'.

13 posted on 12/28/2008 6:56:07 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: rhema
" No matter how much you try to love, reach out, dialogue, and build bridges, the other guys are not going to be happy short of the abandonment of the Bible as a serious document relevant to our times. "

Well, we as Christians will never be happy with them until they admit that homosexuality is an abomination. It is they who must change, not us. We serve God almighty and they serve their private parts. It's an easy decision.
14 posted on 12/28/2008 7:06:23 AM PST by Jaime2099
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To: rhema
The last two sentences summarize the article quite well. Unfortunately, most of these Christians who voted for Obama weren't paying attention to their Bibles in the first place, so disposing of their Bibles won't be difficult for them.
15 posted on 12/28/2008 7:36:02 AM PST by Nevadan
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To: gakrak

Amen, well stated.


16 posted on 12/28/2008 7:44:23 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: MathDoc
I thought the word was "Christian" not "Biblicist."

"Biblicist" is a word used by liberals, who deem themselves to be 'real' Christians, to trash theologically conservative Christians. They devalue the Scripture by implying that devotion to it is a form of idolatry (Bible worship). The author gives away his own bias through the use of this disparaging term.

17 posted on 12/28/2008 7:44:47 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: mvpel

Most career politicians in both parties are cynics. Their only fixed objective is power. That’s certainly true of the Clintons and probably of 0bama. The Demonrat pros know the gays have nowhere else to go, just as the RNC types think evangelicals have nowhere else to go. Since most Pubbies have revealed themselves as amoral cynics who use conservative rhetoric at election time but do not deliver when in power, some evangelicals can be pried away. At least that’s probably what 0bama and his evil genius Rahm Emanuel are thinking.


18 posted on 12/28/2008 8:05:24 AM PST by hellbender
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To: rhema

IMHO, the author has as much of a grasp of Christianity as somebody who scanned every other page of ‘Christianity for Dummies’ in an adversarial heart and wanted to mimic the outline in the last few pages.

Literal interpretation of Scripture has been around for about 5000 years. Some accept it, others don’t, but it wasn’t a recent 20th century novel idea. Wars were fought and nations molded throughout Europe for a millenia over the issue.


19 posted on 12/28/2008 8:07:50 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
"Biblicist" is a word used by liberals, who deem themselves to be 'real' Christians, to trash theologically conservative Christians. They devalue the Scripture by implying that devotion to it is a form of idolatry (Bible worship).

I can only think of two ways to know Jesus: through the words and actions of the Messiah as described in the Bible or through the words of the modern secular "messiah". Personally, I'm more interested in witnesses to what Jesus actually taught and did, such as Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Peter, than I am in what someone thinks Jesus might have said if he spoke to the Trinity United Church of Christ today.

20 posted on 12/28/2008 8:38:39 AM PST by MathDoc (Don't blame me, I voted for Governor Palin and the wrinkly white-haired guy)
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