Posted on 12/31/2008 6:26:21 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative
Here’s a thought I had in the middle of the night last night. Can BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) be turned to the advantage of conservatives?
We don’t like government. The Drive-By’s have with the non-stop eight-year BDS carping have by extension disgusted a large swath of the electorate toward government in general. This is good if it results in less dependence on government and waters down their power.
Less government power at all levels is the ultimate solution and should be our goal. I think this is why our conservative ‘advocates’ (media, think tank, politicians, etc) are ineffective. THEY ARE PART OF THE SYSTEM AND DEPEND ON THE BIG GOVERNMENT BOGEYMAN FOR THEIR EXISTENCE! They’re never going to advocate the dismantling of government.
We conservatives will have to do it ourselves. How can we harness this?
Actually, people who think there is still a political solution may be the joke and prolonging the problem. Just a thought.....
I don’t think mobilizing at the grass roots will work this time (not immediately anyways) given that every swing state is solidly blue. We need to wash our hands of GWB and the neo-cons and wait for our opportunity which will surely come. For now, it’s their move, not ours. As such, we should probably wait until it is our turn before comitting to any major decisions.
I agree. We need to be vigilant, but it will probably take a Democrat overreach to really get back where we were in the early 90s. But the overreach will come, and the backlash will follow.
He was winning elections which made it difficult to challenge him. I know each of those bills you mention got me upset and when they backfired (after GWB re-election) I blamed Bush. But fellow republicans responses then were : “the bias media all lies...”. “the democrats wanted him to do it...” and ‘..but democrats are so bad..’. Look at his caving on energy bill 2005 with democrats dropping drilling and passing a bill mandating ethanol and then giving a speech that 'we took a large step to energy independence'. Then when gas prices skyrocketed, democrats who he worked with blamed him, ie Republicans. But this was all after he was re-elected so the Bush-bots claim it was a success.
And every election we get the lesser of two evils argument. If you were on this site a few days pre-election and went after McCain you were helping communism. But by then McCain had lost and it was obvious that GWB brought destruction on his party. Now his anti-capitialistic acts are far worse than BoBs because he is a Republican. But even now the Hannity-Bush-bots still think they can publicly praise GWB for doing it but attack Obama and not be laughed at, 'Oh if only that biased media understood us', heck I don't understand it.
SEE Why We Should Take a Solutions Approach to the Crisis and Look at Some Things Differently
From writing: ‘The 2008 election features two candidates likely to make the current problems worse. Ironically, Barack Obama, whose policies would likely prove even more disastrous than McCain’s, probably represents the lesser of the two evils. This is because Obama is perceived to be the candidate of big government, while McCain has wrapped himself in the false trappings of small government.In the unlikely event McCain wins, he will be the Herbert Hoover of the modern era, completely discrediting capitalism in the minds of the electorate and setting the stage for a disastrous ideological counterreaction in the election that follows.If Obama wins, however, while the economy will fare even worse, it will at least be clear that big government is to blame. By the end of Obama’s term, the voters will have had such a bellyful of noxious government solutions that the mere thought of any more will put them squarely at the wheel of the porcelain bus. In such an environment, a Ron Paul type of Republican, dismissed as unelectable à la Ronald Reagan in 1976, may actually be in a position to capture the White House in 2012 and finish the job Ronald Reagan started. ‘
I think gost 2 is absolutely right on the mark. Bush is a one-world-order cabalist, and it should be rudely apparent to everyone now that a mere handful of mega-banks and a few billionaires have destroyed the world's economy with their greed and lust for power. Folks like Bush and John McInsane are in the pockets of the wealthiest globalists, as they try to help tear down national borders through linking all the world's economies together and flinging open U.S. borders to every bum who seeks to come here and bleed us to death. I've long detested Democrats because of their welfare state mentality, and spending our tax dollars like drunken sailors. Now Bush has surpassed even the most liberal of all leftists in these areas. I've watched national Senate and governor races and have seen truly competent Republicans get their arses kicked by weak Democrats, because all the Dems needed to do was link them to Bush and his failed leadership.
It's time to wake up and smell the stink of the globalists, of which Bush and John McCain are very much a part of. I don't claim to know what the answer is, beyond praying to God as a nation for sanity and good leadership to return. I've been saying for years, and now a great many of my conservative collegues are finally in agreement, Bush and the Republican Party have been literally disastrous, to America and to conservatives in general. T'was not long ago, my friend, that any anti-Bush speak here in FR was met with a great big boot out the door, but not so anymore. Everyone is waking up, but in all liklihood far too late. You want to know who is most responsible for the election of socialist Barak Hussein Obama? Hint, it wasn't the corrupt media. It was the walking-talking disaster called George W. Bush.
The problem with the grass roots is that they have become complacent with government programs. Everyone wants cuts in the other guy’s government programs but not on theirs. The Reagan generation and individualists are a dying breed. We have a generation coming up that has been raised and conditioned by the left establishment to see government programs as the solution to every problem. The rot isn’t just in DC. It’s everywhere, the people in DC didn’t elect the scum who are there. The people across the nation did. The GOP and conservatives will own the coming depression because we had an a-hole with an r next to his name as president when the collapse began. The MSM will make sure the public never forgets that fact. They will blame it on the failure of the free market. They will claim that capitalism has failed. The sheep will buy it. This depression will last far longer than FDR’s. I see no other alternative than that a conservative party will arise out of this and the GOP will be relegated to irrelevance with RINO’s who will be impossible to distinguish from democrats left in that party.
Bush and McCain are history. They are done. Gone.
Bush will be out of politics and McCain will hold no claim to Republican leadership whatsoever.
You are right. It is tough to balance. On the one hand, we can’t be so “pure” that we never vote for any Republican—every candidate is going to hold some positions we disagree with. On the other hand, blindly supporting Bush has destroyed the conservative underpinnings of the GOP that were evident after the 1994 elections. There are certain core principles that we can’t give in on—spending restraint, conservative judges, strong defense. Bush was good on several of them but threw spending restraint out the window. We are paying for it.
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While everyone blames McCain, and he certainly deserves much of the blame, I believe it was this type of campaigning that beat us. I have a liberal family member who got every talking point and every lie about Palin so quickly and I couldn't refute her, it was so frustrating because I knew this stuff wasn't true, but as soon as it is cyber hit to 13 million or so it becomes impossible to refute without an opposing force equal in numbers.
I'm not savvy enough to develop such a thing and obviously the GOP doesn't have the techies needed, but it doesn't have to remain that way. Also the push back by the GOP was terrible, soft and in some ways it made Obama look like a leader and the GOP like a follower. Remember when the GOP came out with Change We Can Believe In or some such crap...it was pathetic, Obama already owned the word Change, the GOP needed to hit him not try to join him.
Ok. Why don’t you go round up the troops. Either that or move to the Cayman Islands. Whatever the case, you are really wasting your time reading and posting at Free Republic.
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I agree. Good points. We are a few years behind the lefties in this respect, but this is in the process of being rectified.
Good luck, Peter.
Bush managed to fool most of the country into thinking he’s a conservative, and now that things have gone bad, “conservatives” are out of favor. We’ve got to get back to basics and show this country that conservatives are the only people competent to run this country. We need something like the Contract with America to clarify who we are, and who we are not.
See my post #30
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