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Posted on 01/01/2009 12:56:02 PM PST by marktwain
No I’m calling you ignorant. Watching football, drinking, driving or going home has nothing to do with this. He was trying to break into a home and got shot.
Doesn’t matter how you project what he was thinking either.
He broke into an occupied home and was shot. He did not survive the shooting. He won’t do it again. Perhaps others should learn from his harsh lesson.
“They might actually have two different stories from the shooter.”
The homeowner you mean?
“BTW, my kid is not going to break into your house. But we already know your type”
And we know your type. On post after post you do this.
“Like pulling ypu pistol from the bedside table and fire on one of your kids because you heard a noise.”
So you’ve done that? Is that the cause for your rabid anti-gun mentality?
“Let’s get serious. Not everyone you meet is out to kill you”
No they are not, I have some very good friends.
You’re saying you would risk your wifes life on teh chance that someone breaking into your home really just wants to say hi and give you $20.
There's entirely too much not yet known here to make more than a superficial judgment.
Have names been released? It was quite easy to identify the homeowner ~ matter of public record. Now, who lives there?
I think you are making a fundamental mistake in thinking that unsafe use of guns is representative of a right to defend yourself with them.
As far as I'm concerned when you start firing a weapon in a residential area you take a very good risk of killing or injuring innocent people who have nothing whatsoever to do with your dispute with someone else.
Those bullets go right through walls.
It's kind of like you think that having and brandishing a gun, to say nothing of shooting someone, kind of gives you a morally superior position to everyone else ~ including those who seek to pursue solutions to disputes with minimum force (at least initially).
It is very easy to be in the wrong when firing a weapon ~ that's why so many of us get our practice on a range (like the NRA headquarters range ~ it's convenient and very well appointed) ~ that way we won't end up all pannicky firing on the kiddies with snowballs.
“It’s kind of like you think that having and brandishing a gun, to say nothing of shooting someone, kind of gives you a morally superior position to everyone else”
yes, believing that its ok to protect your life and the lives of your loved ones from a violent drunk is morally superior to believing its wrong.
There’s the smart way to do it. I don’t think you understand.
Colo. D.A. says wife acted in self defense 01/17/2009...
Lawyer: Dec. 25 movie gunman fired in self-defense 01/01/2009...PHILADELPHIA?An Iraq veteran charged in a Christmas night shooting over noisy moviegoers fired inself-defense, his lawyer said....
Self-defense claimed in SoCal dog beating 12/22/2008...BEVERLY HILLS, Calif.?An assistant Los Angeles County fire chief who allegedly beat a neighbor's 6-month-old dog so severely it had to be euthanized said Monday he was acting inself-defense....
Colorado self defense law eyed in home shooting 12/31/2008...COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo.?Prosecutors are considering whether a Colorado law meant to protect homeowners against intruders applies in the case of a man killed outside a house he thought was his. The...
Self-defense claim investigated in puppy beating 11/07/2008...LOS ANGELES?Authorities say they are investigating theself-defenseclaim of a Los Angeles County assistant fire chief in the beating of a neighbor's puppy that had to be euthanized....
Here is more followup on the Colorado Springs shooting where the drunken golf pro was shot trying to break into a resident’s house.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2173030/posts
The prosecutor refused to prosecute.
I don't know where muawiyah got that idea (or any of his ideas for that matter) but is totally untrue. Many years ago just after Colorado passed the home defense law it has now there was an incident where a Japanese exchange student was out drinking with his buddies. They stopped at a place they thought was where a party was taking place. Well, it wasn't. The homeowner came OUTSIDE and warned them to go away. The Japanese student approached and kept on coming towards the armed homeowner (WHO WAS OUTSIDE) even after being warned not to. Well, you guessed it the homeowner shot and killed the student. No charges. The law is clear in Colorado concerning self-defense.
Simply because today's Prosecutor says they won't doesn't mean the next political idiot who gets elected to the position won't.
However if a GJ has "no-billed" you, you're home free.
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According to other Freepers and the Prosecutor, any penetration however deep suffices to shoot someone.
That's the OLD STANARD `ya' gotta be inside.
That used to be pretty uniform around the country.
BTW, one of the things that will help to convince any doubters is if the dead guy had been armed. Now when the dead guy is found to not be armed, then suspicions are raised.
Let them find their own.
Regarding "clarity", the law can be clear but if the news stories aren't, that leaves plenty of room for debate. BTW, we've had murders around here that were designed to look like self-defense. Best one was a triple header. Indian guy and an Indian woman called the police. According to them a black man broke into their home and smothered her sister to death with a pillow.
They hadn't been here very long, but they had the "break in" part down pat.
No one believed them! The claim of a break-in simply wasn't sufficient to end that case, nor was it sufficient here ~ and, to address the issue one Freeper went and found out which side of the door the glass fell.
Now, going beyond that, one unanswered question is where were the shooters when they shot the guy? Did they shoot through the hole in the window, or did they open the door, or what?
Anyone seen information on that part?
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