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A Moral War (Time For Good Men To Support Israel's Right Of Self Defense Alert)
Jerusalem Post ^ | 1/04/2009 | Jerusalem Post Masthead Editorial

Posted on 01/04/2009 2:50:23 PM PST by goldstategop

For pacifists who believe that all wars are immoral, Israel's self-defense operation against Hamas in Gaza is necessarily wrong. To such people we invoke the 18th-century philosopher Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Confronted by a movement that amalgamates fascism with religious extremism and a genocidal platform, our moral imperative demands Jewish self-defense.

Few of the voices slamming Israel for conducting an "immoral" war in Gaza are those of pacifists.

Take Riyad Mansour, Mahmoud Abbas's man at the UN. He claimed on CNN that "3,000 Palestinians had been killed or injured" in Gaza, then denounced Israel's "targeting 1.5 million Palestinians" as "immoral" and a "crime against humanity."

Even as Mansour was pontificating, Hamas gunmen in Gaza were shooting Fatah activists in the knees as a preventive security measure lest they take advantage of the unstable situation.

In the West Bank, meanwhile, Mansour's Fatah has been ruthlessly hunting down Hamas members to keep the Islamists from seizing power there when Abbas's presidential term expires next week.

Far from there being "3,000 killed and wounded," more like 500 have been killed - 400 of them Hamas "militants," according to Palestinian Arab and UN sources inside Gaza cited by the Associated Press. Israeli sources put the Palestinian civilian death toll at some 50.

Pointing this out does not diminish the dreadful loss of dozens of innocent Palestinian lives in a week's worth of fighting. It does show, however, that the IDF continues to do everything possible to avoid "collateral damage." But its prime mandate is to protect the lives of Israeli civilians and minimize risks to our citizen-soldiers.

Over the weekend, glitterati including Annie Lennox and Bianca Jagger joined tens of thousands of mostly Muslim protesters in rallies held worldwide against the Israeli "genocide."

In fact, we'd be surprised if any another army currently on the battlefield is more conscientious about avoiding civilian casualties. Before it attacks and whenever possible, the IDF leaflets, telephones or sends text messages to residents of buildings used to launch rockets at our territory, warning them of the impending air-strike.

Conversely, what sort of "resistance" movement deliberately uses mosques, schools and homes as weapons depots and rocket launching pads? Answer: one that also uses its children and women as human shields.

AMONG those troubled by Israel's actions are Jews whose connections to things Jewish are limited to the occasional bagel or lox sandwich. They too march to make clear they're nothing like those pitiless Israelis. "As a Jew, it is very moving to see so many people… outraged at Israel's actions," said comedian Alexei Sayle, who was raised in a strictly orthodox Communist Liverpool household.

Not all uncomfortable Jews are cut off from the community. Take Isaac Luria - not the ancient kabbalist, but the young Internet director of J Street, which is devoted to redefining what it means to be pro-Israel. Luria thinks that the IDF is "pushing the long-running Israeli-Palestinian conflict further down a path of never-ending violence." He's strictly against "raining rockets on Israeli families" (this is bad, he knows, because he spent a year in Israel), but "there is nothing 'right' in punishing a million and a half already-suffering Gazans for the actions of the extremists among them."

Wouldn't it be more intellectually honest to admit that Palestinian suffering is mostly self-inflicted? And that Hamas's anti-Israel agenda is wildly popular among Gaza's masses? And doesn't Luria owe it to himself to look a little closer at the nature of the Israeli military response.

The folks at J Street believe "there is no military solution to what is fundamentally a political conflict...." Hamas would beg to differ. Indeed, Hamas has been trying to prove the contrary, forcing Israel's hand.

What Israel's critics need to understand is that there can be no political solution while we are under Palestinian bombardment. Those who are sincere about fostering coexistence should stop bashing the IDF and start telling the Palestinians: Stop the violence.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; Philosophy; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: edmundburke; fatah; gaza; hamas; humanshields; idf; islam; israel; jerusalempost; jihad; left; moralwar; muslimcowards; operationcastlead; proisrael; selfdefense; westerncivilization; wot
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The IDF is waging a moral war in Gaza. There can be no search for peace as long as Israel remains under the enemy's attack. The Left should stop bashing Israel and start telling the Palestinians to stop the violence. As quoted from Edmund Burke in the editorial: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Its time for good men to do something: support the right of self-defense for the world's only Jewish State!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

1 posted on 01/04/2009 2:50:23 PM PST by goldstategop
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To: goldstategop
Its time for good men to do something: support the right of self-defense for the world's only Jewish State!

Why does being a "Jewish State" make them needful of special consideration?

I hope they kick the terrorist's butts but being Jews cuts no especial ice with me.

2 posted on 01/04/2009 2:57:05 PM PST by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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To: goldstategop

Okay, I support Israel’s right of self defense. How did that help?


3 posted on 01/04/2009 2:57:09 PM PST by Tax-chick (Buy Girl Scout cookies! Send them to the troops!)
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To: humblegunner

I agree. Every country has the “right” to survive or die trying, if it chooses to exercise the “right.”


4 posted on 01/04/2009 2:57:58 PM PST by Tax-chick (Buy Girl Scout cookies! Send them to the troops!)
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To: humblegunner
Alone out of all of mankind, it is a right Jews have but in name only and even at that granted only begrudgingly. A right of self defense that exists only by the forbearance of others is in truth no right at all!

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

5 posted on 01/04/2009 3:00:10 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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“A right of self defense that exists only by the forbearance of others is in truth no right at all!”

Well said!


6 posted on 01/04/2009 3:06:55 PM PST by navyguy (The National Reset Button is pushed with the trigger finger.)
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To: goldstategop
A right of self defense that exists only by the forbearance of others is in truth no right at all!

A right of self defense that you choose to lay down is your own fault. Israel has weapons, it can use them. Who's going to actually stop them, rather than just nattering about it?

7 posted on 01/04/2009 3:10:51 PM PST by Tax-chick (Buy Girl Scout cookies! Send them to the troops!)
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” Its time for good men to do something: support the right of self-defense for the world's only Jewish State!”

I am thoroughly convinced that Israel has a right of self-defense, and should be exercising it, as they are now. However, what did you have in mind? How do we translate that into shutting down Hamas,Hezbollah, Al Qaida, and similar organizations?

8 posted on 01/04/2009 3:12:17 PM PST by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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They're using it. And thanks to the U.S, the useless UN's attempt to rescue Hamas is going nowhere.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

9 posted on 01/04/2009 3:12:36 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Old Student
Its a Long War. Its not going to end any time soon. The U.S is not going to eradicate Al Qaeda and Israel is not going to eradicate Hamas. The wars with Islam are destined to go on forever, as long as this world exists.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

10 posted on 01/04/2009 3:14:39 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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Israel faces a bleak future once Comrade Urkle takes control.


11 posted on 01/04/2009 3:15:54 PM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself)
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Alone out of all of mankind, it is a right Jews have but in name only and even at that granted only begrudgingly.

No, they are the same as everyone else. In geopolitical affairs there can be no favorites.

A right of self defense that exists only by the forbearance of others is in truth no right at all!

They are as capable of defense as they make themselves.

I hope they kick the terrorist's asses, but they get no special consideration due to religion.

I'm not Jewish.

I own no land in Israel.

Good on them that they are moving against the terrorists but they ain't my country.

12 posted on 01/04/2009 3:19:02 PM PST by humblegunner (Where my PIE at, fool?)
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And I’m cheering them on, for what it’s worth. I have to say I’d cheer harder, though, if people would post more pictures of Bibi, like they’re SUPPOSED TO!


13 posted on 01/04/2009 3:28:20 PM PST by Tax-chick (Buy Girl Scout cookies! Send them to the troops!)
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To: Tax-chick; All
How about "The Birth of a Nation"? The Birth of Israel
14 posted on 01/04/2009 4:14:30 PM PST by Larousse2 (Like June Carter Cash, "I'm just tryin' to matter.")
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To: goldstategop
Israel, go kick their @ss and don't ask permission. Just do it.
15 posted on 01/04/2009 4:16:51 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: Larousse2

That’s pretty good.


16 posted on 01/04/2009 4:21:45 PM PST by Tax-chick (Buy Girl Scout cookies! Send them to the troops!)
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To: goldstategop; Cindy; SunkenCiv; Girlene
I've been looking for statistics on how many people are killed in "Jihad" attacks. I found this site. If anyone knows of any more please show the way. Don't let the title of this link mislead you.

The Religion of Peace

17 posted on 01/04/2009 4:26:45 PM PST by bigheadfred (FREE EVAN VELA, freeevanvela.com)
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To: Tax-chick

I support giving the IAF B52s or B2 bombers. I also support bombing Gaza into duct and selling the surviors into slavery{well maybe not the whole selling people into slavery part, but you get the point, right?}


18 posted on 01/04/2009 5:54:12 PM PST by Yorlik803 ( Freedom- 07-04-1776-11-06-2008. RIP)
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To: goldstategop
The two people quoted in the article are perfect examples of the common non-sense that passes for common sense. It makes no sense but it is held 'collectively' like a fad.

People of the World holding hands, living in peace and harmony. Imagine. Trouble is, it's a sucker's bet. Common sense tells you human nature is unpredictable and cannot be taken for granted.

Acts of violence must be responded to- and quickly at times. I don't care how upside-down the logic from the left is, Israel has every right to smack any punk-ass who fires rockets at their civilians, down. And hard, 'cause anything less may not get their attention and they may continue to offend. Call it Global Tough Love.

19 posted on 01/04/2009 5:59:57 PM PST by budwiesest (Jan. 20th is right around the corner. Evening in America.)
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you get the point, right

I do. I think the Israelis should tell our government to pound sand, though, and buy bombers from somewhere else.

20 posted on 01/04/2009 6:06:27 PM PST by Tax-chick (Buy Girl Scout cookies! Send them to the troops!)
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