Posted on 01/09/2009 8:54:56 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
The-AntiChrist doesn’t need to be all that smart. satan will be his guide.
Isn’t NWO a wrestling federation or something? Is the big O going to where red tights a cape and jump off the ropes body slamming freedom and justice?
How right you are! Very ironic.
Let no one deceive you by any means; for that day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Interesting. According to your logic, Ronald Reagan must be a marxist too. At least we had real patriots like Jimmy Carter to work to restore Jefferson Davis' reputation, eh?
Kissinger and Brezinski—two people who I have never trusted with the interests of America.
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The Antichrist will come upon the world scene as a peacemaker. It will be 3 1/2 years later that his true nature will be revealed, when he sets himself up to be worshiped.
Regarding heritage, the “old Roman Empire” theory is only that, and, in all honestly is a problematic theory. However, reading this link...
http://www.answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/Future/index.htm
...you may find this theory makes MUCH more sense. And in the scenario discussed at that link, Obama makes a perfect candidate to tie the Muslim world into the Western world, and be able to bring a temporary peace to Israel for a few short years, just as every POTUS since Carter has tried to do and build a legacy upon.
Heh. Seems like forever...
A quote from that link, describing the Muslim Messiah, who, upon close examination (and further reading), fits the very description of the Biblical AntiChrist....for your review...
“Among the Major Signs, the most anticipated and central sign that Muslims are awaiting is the coming of a man known as, “The Mahdi.” In Arabic, al-Mahdi means, “The Guided One” 1 He is also sometimes referred to by Shi’a Muslims as Sahib Al-Zaman or Al-Mahdi al-Muntadhar which translated mean “The Lord of the Age” and “The Guided/Awaited One.” The Mahdi is the first of the Major Signs. This is confirmed by Ibn Kathir, the renowned Muslim scholar from the eighth century:”
On a side note, as I post this, I’m sure someone (not implying you specifically, of course) who views all Biblical end-times prophecy as mere allegory will promptly chime in with their symbolism spin about how they are also experts on all things Islam, and how this Mahdi thing all happened during the first century or some other silly comment.
No, that's a case of wrong direction, or converse not true -- I'm not sure what the correct logic label is for that one. Nevertheless, it's possible to admire Lincoln for various reasons (his humble birth and rise, his opposition to slavery as demeaning all parties, etc.), and a) not admire him for the same reasons Marxists do (imposing new paradigm top-down by force, "vanguard liberation"), and therefore b) not be a Marxist at all.
By the way, the Marxist concept of "vanguard-led war of liberation" is a contradiction in terms, a conundrum as well as an oxymoron: if you're liberated by the vanguard, and the vanguard sticks around, then you haven't been liberated, you've just been hijacked from your previous abuser.
My point being, politically adept people who follow their own agenda sometimes leave a lot of human wreckage in their wakes.
Lincoln could not end slavery by any known constitutional means (i.e. he could not compel the people in the slave states). But a civil war let him do it.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
And their message will spread like cancer.
A false witness will utter lies.
Well, that can proven certifiably false. There are many hardcore Marxists who despise Lincoln.
For example, we were discussing former Mississippi Senator Theodore Bilbo a few weeks back. He was an ardent, outspoken New Dealer and totally supportive of foisting a marxist state on America (elected in the alleged "states rights" deep south, of course). He didn't admire Lincoln one bit -- he was an unabashed white supremacist who held black people and "yankees" in contempt, and was a card carrying member of the KKK. He was an extremely corrupt and militant Marxist who wanted to force his will on the people, but he'd rather spit on a portrait of Lincoln than utter a word of praise.
Your premise is simply wrong. It seems most of you guys want to blame Lincoln for Marxism to coverup the fact that the south overwhelmingly supported Woodrow Wilson, FDR, and Jimmy Carter (certainly much moreso than northern states), which were responsible for enacting far more statist, socialist, national policies than Lincoln could ever dream of. Obviously having to admit this fact destroys the premise that the deep south's core belief was in "states rights". FDR did more to destroy states rights than any prior president, and the "states rights south" happily rewarded him with 90% of the vote when he was up for re-election
Brezinski always comes to my mind whenever I see Kissinger. I don’t know why exactly, but these guys seem like birds of a feather.
Really? We'll examine what you call Marxist below. But any genuine Marxist is aware, strongly aware, that Karl Marx himself idolized Lincoln. During his sojourn in the United States, Marx was a contributor and correspondent (Harper's Weekly, iirc) who extolled Lincoln and his war of liberation. The paper trail is there, and it has been commented on in Marx's bios. The history is there.
....we were discussing former Mississippi Senator Theodore Bilbo a few weeks back. He was an ardent, outspoken New Dealer and totally supportive of foisting a marxist state on America......
Theo Bilbo was a populist. A populist is/was not a Marxist. Some Marxists could, at a stretch, be seen as populists "somehow", but here is the bite:
In the history of the United States, the liberty interest and the yeomanry have been represented, up until 1928 when the party was taken over by urban socialist "reformers" (Jewish, Irish, and Italian wardheelers -- Tammany Hall writ large and larded up, esp. among the Jewish community, with socialist intellectualism and vanguardism), by the Democratic Party, or as it was called in the earlier 19th century, the National Democracy, and before that the Democratic Republican Party in Jefferson's day.
These people were the Antifederalists, who forced the business-dominated, big-planter Tidewater combination called the Federalists, to accept the Bill of Rights. Alexander Hamilton, who founded the Bank of New York, spent much of Federalist 81 arguing against the idea of "bills of rights" (based on the English experience of the previous hundred years and more) on the grounds that, in the words of the Ninth Amendment, an enumeration of rights would be used to disparage other rights inuring to the people. His observation led directly to the writing of the Ninth and Tenth Amendments.
James Madison wrote most of the Bill of Rights, but as a Federalist his main concern was that if the People, led by the Antifederalists, were determined to have a Bill of Rights, then it should be articulated properly by the most competent talent available -- him. (And he vindicated his own judgment.)
The common dirt farmers, the "yeomanry" of Jefferson's discourse, were always the core constituency of the Democratic Party until they were overreached by the urbanists and their very different agenda (shift from emphasis on the liberty interest and the interests of the People, to policing up Mr. McGillicuddy -- regulation and "reform", rent control, police review boards, etc., etc.).
The core interest of the yeomanry has always been freedom from domination by the economic and political power of the business interests, the planter class, the patroons and Millocracy leaders of Northern society, and more recently the pretensions of the Eurosocialist New Class.
That's why the populists who supported the New Deal and Franklin Roosevelt in the South were racists -- the interests of the People, in the South, was always conflated with racism, with protecting the interests of the People from the economic warfare and sociopolitical overreaching of the planter class and their slaves. (Black slaves were always seen by poor whites as catspaws and enabling tools of the rich -- hence the hate and discontent, in addition to the alienage issues created by having an obviously [to everyone] distinct and separate ethnos in their midst which was at once sponsored and exploited by the rich. Even Lincoln, a Southerner by birth who grew up in the Southern culture of southern Indiana and Illinois, wanted to remove them from the United States after emancipation. Later on, blacks were seen as devastatingly efficient economic competition, deployable at will by the rich to destroy wages and undermine the yeoman class, as well as political tools of the Northern Party via the Freedmen's Bureau armed with the Civil Rights Act of 1866, strengthened by the Force Acts.)
Marx espoused vanguardism. Lincoln lived it. That's why Marx admired Lincoln.
Your premise is simply wrong.
Read a little more history and you'll see I'm right. I'm not pulling this out of the air. Solid historians have written on these subjects for generations.
It seems most of you guys want to blame Lincoln for Marxism to coverup the fact that the south overwhelmingly supported Woodrow Wilson, FDR, and Jimmy Carter (certainly much moreso than northern states), which were responsible for enacting far more statist, socialist, national policies than Lincoln could ever dream of.
There are so many things wrong with that statement I don't know exactly where to start. For one thing, Woodrow Wilson, except in foreign policy where he was out of step with almost everyone in America, is a poor choice to compare to FDR and Jimmy Carter. (You forget LBJ and Slick Willie? Bet you didn't.) Their measures would have been alien to him. There were a number of war measures passed during World War I in emulation of "modern" fighting nation-states like France and Great Britain, but to say that they arose from some deep wellspring of latent Jeffersonianism is frankly misplaced. Wilson's war measures recalled Lincoln's, not Jefferson's, administration; but he was in no way a socialist and didn't support urban socialists and their ideas the way later Democrats did.
The "Solid South" supported Wilson because "he kept us out of war". Talk about bait-and-switch. The war won, the country promptly voted for "normalcy" -- which, in the South, meant the Klan and white supremacy, not socialism or internationalism. The Grange movement and Kluxerism were not branches of socialism.
Therefore, Wilson cannot be lumped in with FDR and his support of alphabet-soup socialist state organs and wildly proliferating federalization of life in the United States.
The "Solid South" supported Jimmy Carter before, not after, they found out what a "progressive" he was -- after they found out, they supported Ronald Wilson Reagan.
They knew what LBJ was about -- that's why they voted for Barry Goldwater, showing their final repudiation of FDR's New Deal and the place it gave blacks in the Democratic "new axis" of labor, blacks, socialists, and Northern Catholic and Jewish "Old Ethnics" who still voted reflexively Democratic. In the Southerners' world, the planter class was simply replaced by the federal government as the sponsor of the Enemy Classes and the engine of the non-rich white man's political subjugation, helotization, and progressive enslavement. Southern whites didn't vote for Hubert Humphrey, either, but instead gave their votes to George Corley Wallace, who represented the tradition of the old populists like Theo Bilbo and Ben "Pitchfork" Tillman.
“The-AntiChrist doesn’t need to be all that smart. satan will be his guide”
Yeah, why would Satan want an intelligent “container” when he goes to indwell “it” for the “big show”? The “container” might wise up to what is going one and repent, asking that the Holy Spirit indwell “it” instead, there-bye becoming a real living human being.
Best to try to keep “it” stupid and plied with visions of grandiosity guilded by a false sense of humility and servitude!
Why would I use the term “container”? Not sure...perhaps a shot being fired across the bow!
I heard this when I was in college, 25 years ago. Henry’s brother was being interviewed, and the reporter noticed he had no discernible accent. He asked if they came to the state’s at the same time. The brother replied (something like) “Oh, the accent? Henry’s a little slow”.
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