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To: stuartcr

You said — “Seems that since God knows whats going to happen, He could have saved a lot of lives, by just not letting us develop religions.”

Well..., one way would be to have God *directly control* how people choose things like religions for themselves (and whether they want to choose what the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob has provided for salvation through the Messiah of Israel) — versus — choosing whatever they want on their own free accord, even if it results in their own pain and suffering and killing and murders, and ending finally in eternal separation from God, in the lake of fire.

Our Creator God, the God of Abraham, Isacc and Jacob, has given the “choice” to people to choose God’s offer of salvation, freely (on their own) through Jesus, the Messiah of Israel — or — to choose their own way, their own “religion” (which is what it is), even if they are misguided and deceived and are hell-bent on their own self-destruction.

God’s plan was to give “choice” in the matter so that those who are “with God” eternally, in the end, are those who wish to be with God and have accepted that salvation that He has offered through His Son, the Messiah of Israel.

The problem goes a lot further than simply a few false religions and people hell-bent on destroying themselves. It goes way back to the beginning pages of the Bible where sin first entered into God’s perfect creation (as He knew it would, and thus, He had already provided the “way of salvation” even before He created the entirety of creation.

Jesus said that one should not worry about one’s death. That’s not the problem. He said the real thing to worry about is the “second death” which results in the lake of fire and eternal separation from God. So, all these people who are dying, are actually part of the “first death” — which comes to all of mankind, regardless of whether they have accepted God’s plan of salvation through His Son, Jesus, the Messiah of Israel — or — they have decided to go their own way of a false religion.

The “key” is the “second death” (after judgement) and whether one will be eternally with God, or forever separated from God in the lake of fire. God had already pronounced the judgement of “death” (i.e., the “first death”) upon mankind, back in the beginning. It’s the “second death” which is determined by the individual themselves.

This is the “plan” that God is following to rid the world of all sin and pain and death and suffering, by allowing Satan and his evil angels to carry through their lies (in the form of false religions) and death and destruction, to bring out, to the fullest, the results of what is accomplished by Satan’s lies. Then God brings His full judgement, during that 7-year Tribulation time, which He says He has *saved up* from the beginning, all the way until that time. All the judgement that God has not deservedly given out, throughout human history is going to be *fully dispensed* at this particular time. That’s a lot of judgement and will be a fearsome time, to be sure.

It’s at the end, and when all things have been accomplished, as God has already told us ahead of time, in the Bible, that all living and all of creation will be brought back to the perfection and sinlessness of the beginning of creation. There will be no more death, pain, destruction and/or sin in the world, in all of creation — any more — after that time (that time of full completion).

So, God allows the sin which started in the beginning to have its *full fruition* — at which time God puts a complete and total end to it, people having seen (for themselves) over the course of human history that all things that they have tried, apart from God, has utterly failed. When all has been tried and all has finally failed — God steps in and puts an end to it all. Those who have chosen to reject God will be eternally separated from Him and those who have chosen to be with God (according to how He has provided) will be with Him in eternal life and joy and happiness in a world that is without sin, pain, death or suffering...


48 posted on 01/13/2009 7:39:24 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

Thanks. Personally, I don’t know enough to be able to definitively say ‘this is what God wants...’, like you do.


50 posted on 01/13/2009 8:26:33 AM PST by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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