Posted on 01/12/2009 7:23:26 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
Yeah- the more I think about this, incomplete metainfo simply could not keep a species alive, as every aspect of the species must be regulated, controlled, directed and manipulated by metainfo in it’s completeness- A partial system of metainfo would just muck up the whole works as it would be directing one or a few systems, while other info would have no direction, and simply would not be able to work coherently with the info that was being directed by the metainfo-
Looking at this in a forward looking direction, it would be unreasonable to think that piling info on info could result in an evolving synchronized metainfo system, much the same way that adding digital info to a system of established digital info couldn’t add to the controlling metainfo already established unless the metainfo were already predesigned to accommodate this new info in the first place.
My previous silly example of species only being able to see green and acquiring ability down the lien to see red and to benefit from this new info was flawed inthat the species would have needed the metainfo inplace already to accommodate and utilize the addition of this newly gained ability, otherwise, the info would have been useless and the species would have been unable to make use of the new info.
I think hits paper’s concepts are infact forward looking inthat the 5 points absolutely needed to be inplace right fro the very simplest lifeforms on upward, which is what I think Demski refers to when he tries to contemplate CSI and where it might originate from- species life can not survive without this metainfo. While clear might be able to turn an amino acid into a protein, the 5 points of hierarchy are not present, and the protein simply can not survive nor evolve beyond it’s creation because there is no metainfo to sustain it, and certainly not enough to sustain it long enough to wait around for the ‘accidental completion of the end-step metainfo necessary for a life sustaining synchronized regulations needed in complex systems.
Others have tried to argue this metainfo, or CSI came from nature, flowed from nature to the species, but they know the weakness of their hypothesis, an have had extreme difficulty explaining how nature could have caused such complex metainfo in the first place, let alone, flowed to species in a stepwise manner while the species waited around in apparent static suspension in it’s incompleteness. Naturalist need to explain how CSI, or metainfo caused a ‘one fell swoop’ flow of metainfo from nature into a species, because it is clear that species need all 5 points of hierarchy inplace and functioning in synchronized harmony in order to survive.
Still thinking on this
You are correct, that an expanding universe is evidence of a smaller universe in the past, ultimately pointing to a singularity or possibly multiple singularities (big bangs) as Hawkings has hypothesized.
There are a couple of flies in the ointment though. The first is that the growth of the Universe is accelerating. The second is that dark matter/energy theories are necessary to explain the big bang.
Just like the Theory of Evolution is silent on the origin of life, Physics doesn't have an explanation for the origin, if there was an origin, of the universe. We are like babes opening our eyes to the wonders before us : )
One thing we can be sure of though, is that Despator didn't make it : )
It's enough to make you think there's some kind of feedback system like the feedback systems that keep electronic amplifiers stable.
But any feedback system powerful enough to keep life from deteriorating would just be another layer of complexity.
Right?
Not familiar with any feedback hypothesis- but the electronic system, you’re only keeping one small part of the whoel system stable- there are many other components that are also at work, so while htere may be a feedback system at play in species (Not sayign there is, probably, but just not aware of any arguments liek this), there would still need to be a system of metainfo inplace to regulate and control this system so that the whoel species system doesn’t malfunction- right?
Life goes on, so there must be some kind of feedback system that insures at least some things are able to keep it going. Considering entropy and all.
“Oh please. That's not "the evolutionary answer"--that's one crank's century-old fever dream. "Bölsche, Wilhelm...had no scientific training but an enthusiasm for Darwinism, positivism, and determinism, which he conceived as the basis for a new harmonious, non-religious, scientific world....Bölsche had not the mental equipment for a profound work on this subject..."”So Bölsche is not qualified to speak on Evolution because he had no scientific training?
For the first time, astronomers have clearly seen the effects of "dark energy" on the most massive collapsed objects in the universe using NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory. By tracking how dark energy has stifled the growth of galaxy clusters and combining this with previous studies, scientists have obtained the best clues yet about what dark energy is and what the destiny of the universe could be.
This work, which took years to complete, is separate from other methods of dark energy research such as supernovas. These new X-ray results provide a crucial independent test of dark energy, long sought by scientists, which depends on how gravity competes with accelerated expansion in the growth of cosmic structures. Techniques based on distance measurements, such as supernova work, do not have this special sensitivity.
Scientists think dark energy is a form of repulsive gravity that now dominates the universe, although they have no clear picture of what it actually is. Understanding the nature of dark energy is one of the biggest problems in science. Possibilities include the cosmological constant, which is equivalent to the energy of empty space. Other possibilities include a modification in general relativity on the largest scales, or a more general physical field.
To help decide between these options, a new way of looking at dark energy is required. It is accomplished by observing how cosmic acceleration affects the growth of galaxy clusters over time.
"This result could be described as 'arrested development of the universe'," said Alexey Vikhlinin of the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory in Cambridge, Mass., who led the research. "Whatever is forcing the expansion of the universe to speed up is also forcing its development to slow down."
Vikhlinin and his colleagues used Chandra to observe the hot gas in dozens of galaxy clusters, which are the largest collapsed objects in the universe. Some of these clusters are relatively close and others are more than halfway across the universe.
The results show the increase in mass of the galaxy clusters over time aligns with a universe dominated by dark energy. It is more difficult for objects like galaxy clusters to grow when space is stretched, as caused by dark energy. Vikhlinin and his team see this effect clearly in their data. The results are remarkably consistent with those from the distance measurements, revealing general relativity applies, as expected, on large scales.
"For years, scientists have wanted to start testing how gravity works on large scales and now, we finally have," said William Forman, a co-author of the study from the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory. "This is a test that general relativity could have failed."
When combined with other clues -- supernovas, the study of the cosmic microwave background, and the distribution of galaxies -- this new X-ray result gives scientists the best insight to date on the properties of dark energy.
The study strengthens the evidence that dark energy is the cosmological constant. Although it is the leading candidate to explain dark energy, theoretical work suggests it should be about 10 raised to the power of 120 times larger than observed. Therefore, alternatives to general relativity, such as theories involving hidden dimensions, are being explored.
"Putting all of this data together gives us the strongest evidence yet that dark energy is the cosmological constant, or in other words, that 'nothing weighs something'," said Vikhlinin. "A lot more testing is needed, but so far Einstein's theory is looking as good as ever."
These results have consequences for predicting the ultimate fate of the universe. If dark energy is explained by the cosmological constant, the expansion of the universe will continue to accelerate, and the Milky Way and its neighbor galaxy, Andromeda, never will merge with the Virgo cluster. In that case, about a hundred billion years from now, all other galaxies ultimately would disappear from the Milky Way's view and, eventually, the local superclusters of galaxies also would disintegrate.
The work by Vikhlinin and his colleagues will be published in two separate papers in the Feb. 10 issue of The Astrophysical Journal. NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala., manages the Chandra program for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. The Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory controls Chandra's science and flight operations from Cambridge, Mass.
Except that Darwin was in constant communication with the best academic minds of his time, including those that opposed his theory. He had their respect and attention for 20 years before he published. He bounced ideas of them and his publications were a collaborative effort. His correspondence is available online.
I can't think of a single creationist or ID supporter who collaborates in a like manner.
If not having scientific training disqualifies one from speaking on Evolution, it seems to me that Rev. Charles Darwin was most FRevos are completely unqualified to write so many books posts on the subject.
Maybe not, but he's certainly not qualified to deliver "the evolutionary answer."
I can’t think of a single creationist or ID supporter who collaborates in a like manner.
Well, how could you when all of them are seen as threats to your cult?
I’ve been meaning to ask: what cult do you belong to?
Chemists aren’t much interested in counting the reasons something can’t be done.
Speaking for all chemists again are you?
I don’t belong to any cults but if I did, I too would want to talk about exploding buttons on volcanic islands...it would make me feel like James Bond too! ;)
Just answer the question. What cult do you belong to?
What’s pretentious is clinging to the godless liberal NEA position and calling that the conseravite position...and saying “Expelled” has been debunked doesn’t make it so, no matter how many times you post it here or elsewhere.
But speaking of evidence:
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2006/03/americans_overwhelmingly_suppo.html
Headline: “Americans Overwhelmingly Support Teaching Scientific Challenges to Darwinian Evolution, Zogby Poll Shows” From March 2006.
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/filesDB-download.php?command=download&id=719
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Free Republic Poll on Evolution
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/1706571/posts?page=63#63
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Creationism makes a comeback in US
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1856224/posts
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Teaching creation and evolution in schools
Solid research reveals American beliefs
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i2/teaching.asp
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Survey Finds Support Is Strong For Teaching 2 Origin Theories
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B07E4D9143BF932A25750C0A9669C8B63
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Public Divided on Origins of Life
http://people-press.org/report/254/religion-a-strength-and-weakness-for-both-parties
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Americans Believe in Jesus, Poll Says (creation poll results included)
http://derekgulbranson.com/2005/01/17/americans-believe-in-jesus/
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So you see, it’s your side that’s been marginalized, as you’re still in the vast minority, as conservatives go...and if there’s been any “influx”, it’s been you liberals trying to undermine the place with these kinds of incessant lies!
Are you back to your reading incomprehension position again?
I think if you have the right to assert that other people, whom you’ve nevr met, belong to a cult, then we have the right to ask you what cult you belong to.
Well you need to (once again) qualify “never met”, because the exposure I’ve had to your posts indicate to me you could belong to a cult and not know it.
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