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Bush regrets immigration reforms weren't approved [pushing amnesty to the very end]
AP via Google ^ | 2009-01-12

Posted on 01/12/2009 4:59:05 PM PST by rabscuttle385

HOUSTON (AP) — President George W. Bush told a group of Texas reporters Friday that he regretted immigration policies were not reformed while he was in office.

"I'm very disappointed that it didn't pass," he said in an interview with correspondents from his home state. "I'm very worried about the message that said, 'Republicans are anti-immigrant.'"

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; aliens; bush; bush43; bushlegacy; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; jorgearbusto; jorgebush; mexico; rino; rinoparty; socialist; traitor; trojanhorse; trollsonparade
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Bush is an idiot on par with McCain.
1 posted on 01/12/2009 4:59:05 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

BTW, when are we ceding Texas to Mexico?


2 posted on 01/12/2009 5:01:12 PM PST by Steamburg ( Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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3 posted on 01/12/2009 5:01:44 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

Downgrading us fools that put him in the big house for 8 years.


4 posted on 01/12/2009 5:02:00 PM PST by Sybeck1 (Million Minuteman March (Spring 2009))
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To: rabscuttle385

Downgrading us fools that put him in the big house for 8 years.


5 posted on 01/12/2009 5:02:00 PM PST by Sybeck1 (Million Minuteman March (Spring 2009))
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To: rabscuttle385

We need a viable conservative 3rd party.


6 posted on 01/12/2009 5:04:58 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The democRATS are near the tipping point.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Bush is an idiot on par with McCain.

Watch for the Bush faithful to denfend this piece of trash anyway.

7 posted on 01/12/2009 5:07:52 PM PST by South40
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To: rabscuttle385
Bush just tried to get you a good deal on immigration when he could, and you are to stupid to know it. Their were never enough votes to override a Dem veto!! NEVER!! There was never going to be a harsh illegal immigration bill.

Now you have Obama!!! See what he and Pelosi do with immigration and there aren't even enough Republicans with RINOS to stop it.

8 posted on 01/12/2009 5:08:03 PM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: rabscuttle385
Related thread:

Bush to GOP: Don't Become 'Anti-Immigrant'

9 posted on 01/12/2009 5:08:41 PM PST by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Get on the phones with your DC legislators and demand border enforcement and security. The next amnesty bill is coming soon. Be ready to raise hell.


10 posted on 01/12/2009 5:08:47 PM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: rabscuttle385

Thanks a lot Mr. President. Really help the ‘pubs lose more seats. Conservatives and pro-US people are anti- ILLEGAL immigrant!


11 posted on 01/12/2009 5:09:27 PM PST by dynachrome (Barack Hussein Obama yunikku khinaaziir)
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To: South40

Anyone that would call the President a piece of trash is a fool. You are fixing to get an object lesson in what a piece of trash is...you should already know after eight years of the Bent One.


12 posted on 01/12/2009 5:09:52 PM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: rabscuttle385

‘’Reformed’’means, let the illegals stay, while we piss on everybody else, got that Gomer?


13 posted on 01/12/2009 5:10:00 PM PST by Waco (The RATS said so.)
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To: A.Hun
Bush just tried to get you a good deal on immigration when he could, and you are to stupid to know it.

Too bad Bush was so busy pandering to the globalists, La Raza lobbyists, and NWO turds to actually, oh, I dunno...DO HIS JOB AND ENFORCE BORDER SECURITY.

14 posted on 01/12/2009 5:10:34 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

When he moves back to Dallas, reality will set in. The entire city, including the public health care system, and education system, are overrun by illegals.


15 posted on 01/12/2009 5:11:31 PM PST by devane617 (...And to the Republic For Which It Stood...)
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To: A.Hun

You are an so wrong. Most Americans support the border secured and no amnesty provisions. There is more than enough political cover to do the right thing.

Bush did nobody a favor except Mexican lawbreakers.


16 posted on 01/12/2009 5:11:34 PM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: rabscuttle385

If he doesn’t free Ramos and Compean then his name is dirt


17 posted on 01/12/2009 5:11:42 PM PST by dennisw (On the 31st floor a gold plated door won't keep out the Lord's burning rage ---FBB)
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To: A.Hun; South40; bimboeruption
Anyone that would call the President a piece of trash is a fool.

Bush is Socialist RINO trash.

18 posted on 01/12/2009 5:11:46 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: dennisw
Bump.

Note the sarcasm in my tagline. I used it a few places to make a point and not a single Bush supporter caught its irony nor even challenged it.

It is a ludicrous situation to continue to support that guy.

I cannot think of a nation anywhere on this planet that would have experienced the entrance of illegal foreigners on its soil, followed by something like over 4,000 murders or accidental deaths of very own citizens at the hands of these illegal entrants, and then the leader of that country that allowed such a swarm of lawlessness would be THANKED openly and with a straight face for "keeping us safe".(sic)

It is the most ludicrous think I can think of.

A Japanese prime minister staying in office after 8 years when North Koreans killed 4,000 Japanese from Kyushu to Hokkaido. The President of Italy keeping his seat after 8 years in which 4000 Italians were killed by itinerant Albanians.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE (BUSH WORSHIPPERS).

Here are the questions they cannot answer. They REFUSE when challenged:

a) 4,000 or more Americans died since 2001 when he took office, with a continued open border situation and lack of massive deportations, with multiple efforts to legalize swarms in one fell swoop, thousands of criminals included. Were these deaths of these Americans no longer with us but now six feet under or scattered to the winds, with grieving families left behind, President Bush's fault?

(if yes, his fault, then do you still support him as president?)

(if no, not his fault, then whose fault is it and why is it not his fault?)

Or do you do like most and just ignore the deaths completely because it is an uncomfortable topic and tarnishes your hero?


19 posted on 01/12/2009 5:12:20 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Despite 4000+ Killed On US Soil By Illegals, Thanks President Bush For Keeping Us Safe For 8 Years!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
NO WE DON'T!!

What WE NEED are viable conservatives who run for office, conservatives to vote in primaries (instead of sitting at home griping about "hoping to find a 100% pure candidate" - like themselves, perchance?) and then dropping some cash in the candidate's coffers, yes even if 70% of the conservative population only gave $5.00 IF that's all they could afford, then working like Hell (as the dims do)to get out the votes and going to the polls to vote.

There's no mystery about winning elections regardless what the dims and RINOs say, it's about hard work and putting your money where your mouth is. Who cares if you donate $50 or $100 bucks or more and your guy loses, at least you've tried (and your candidate did too.)

The real problem with many, if not most conservatives out in the ranks - they won't pony up with any of their money to win elections. Oh sure, they'll drop the whatever to the Party but rarely donate to a guy with a conservative message. Then if the guy does win a Primary, DC RNC sends out some mod/lib to "manage" the campaign.

The candidate listens and obeys the "manager" and they lose. Big surprise!!!!

20 posted on 01/12/2009 5:15:00 PM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: A.Hun
Bush just tried to get you a good deal on immigration when he could, and you are to stupid to know it.

Please read below and point out the parts that were a "good deal" for Americans.


On February 16, 2001, just 3 weeks after his inauguration, President George W. Bush met with Mexican President Vicente Fox to discuss the terms of the Partnership for Prosperity Agreement (with Mexico). (See: Partnership for Prosperity Agreement (with Mexico))

The P4P agreement was signed on September 6, 2001.

On October 26, 2001, Bush signed the USA Patriot Act of 2001 into law. Contained in section 326(b) was the provision that allowed US banks to accept the Mexican Matricula Consular card as valid ID for opening a bank account.

Congress sent a request for opinion to Bush's Treasury Dept. about 326(b). Bush's Treasury responded:

“The proposed rules set forth the requirement that financial institutions would have to establish a customer identification and verification program applicable to all new accounts that are opened, regardless of whether the customer is a U.S. citizen or a foreign national. While the proposed rules prescribe minimum standards for such programs, they leave sufficient flexibility to permit financial institutions to tailor their program to fit their business operations. The customer identification program would have to contain reasonable procedures for identifying any person, including a business, that opens an account, setting forth the type of identifying information that the financial institution will require. At a minimum, for U.S. persons the proposed rules would require financial institutions to obtain the following information: name, address, taxpayer identification number, and, for individuals, date of birth. While a taxpayer identification number is not required for non-U.S. persons, a financial institution must describe what type of information it will require of a non-U.S. person in place of a taxpayer identification number. The regulations state that financial institutions may accept one or more of the following: a U.S. taxpayer identification number; a passport number and country of issuance; an alien identification card number, or the number and country of issuance of any other government-issued document evidencing nationality or residence and bearing a photograph or similar safeguard.”

This also contained a footnote (17):

“Thus, the proposed regulations do not discourage bank acceptance of the ‘matricula consular’ identity card that is being issued by the Mexican government to immigrants.” (See: Treasury Department Issues USA PATRIOT Act Report to Congress)

Note that no Mexican banks accept their own government's Matricula Consular card as valid ID for opening a bank account because the bearer's identity is all but untraceable. In contrast, thanks to Bush's Treasury Dept., almost all US banks accept it.

On June 17, 2002, Bush held a press conference. In this press conference he said that by 2010 he wanted to see 5.5 million new 'minority' home owners.

He called on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase commitments to the 'minority' market by $440 billion. (See: President Calls for Expanding Opporunities to Home Ownership)

Here's how he described the minorities:

Three-quarters of white America owns their homes. Less than 50 percent of African Americans are part of the homeownership in America. And less than 50 percent of the Hispanics who live here in this country own their home. And that has got to change for the good of the country. It just does.

In response to the mandate contained in the P4P agreement, the New Alliance Task Force was formed in May 2003. (See: New Alliance Task Force)

The NATF is a broad-based coalition of 62 members, including the FDIC, Mexican Consulate, 34 banks, community-based organizations, federal bank regulatory agencies, government agencies, and representatives from the secondary market and private mortgage insurance (PMI) companies.

Their goal was to open the Mexican illegal alien market to US banks and visa-versa using low-cost remittances as the bait. As Bush's 2002 speeches show he was talking about hundreds of billions of tax dollars to directly benefit millions of Mexican illegal aliens.

The NATF was organized into four working groups that were tasked with the following goals:

In 2004, Wells Fargo reported that they had signed up 400,000 new Matricula Consular accounts and at the time were opening up 22,000 new accounts a month. Keep in mind this is just Wells Fargo and that sub-prime lending would not reach its peak until 2005-2006.

The IRS says they've issued over 11 million ITINs since its inception. Mexico says they've issued over 5 million Matricula Consular cards.

But, none of this would be workable if ICE was deporting the banks' new customers. Once again, Bush swung into action, hobbling border and interior enforcement.

Worksite arrests of illegal aliens fell some 97 percent, from 2,859 in 1999 to 159 in 2004. Investigations targeting employers of illegal immigrants fell more than 70 percent, from 7,637 in 1997 to 2,194 in 2003. Arrests on job sites fell—precipitously, from 17,554 in 1997 to 445 in 2003. Fines levied for immigration-law violations fell from 778 in 1997 to 124 in 2003. Notices of intent to fine employers fell from 865 in 1997 to just 3 in 2004.

When the USA Patriot Act came up for renewal in 2004, some republicans wanted to remove the provision that allowed banks to accept Matricula Consular ID as the consular ID is unreliable.

Barney Frank (D-MA) and some of his Republican and Democrat friends swung into action to protect it:

Anti-matrícula proposal defeated; financial institutions can continue accepting consular ID's:

In a vote of 222 to 177, the U.S. House of Representatives passed a bipartisan amendment, H.Amdt. 754, introduced by Reps. Michael Oxley (R-OH), Barney Frank (D-MA), Jim Kolbe (R-AZ), Ed Pastor (D-AZ), and Rubén Hinojosa (D-TX) to strike the so-called Culberson amendment that would have prohibited the Treasury Dept. from implementing regulations that allow financial institutions to accept matrícula consular identification cards as part of a valid customer identification program under the USA PATRIOT Act...

In countering Culberson’s allegations that the FBI and the Justice Dept. were opposed to the bipartisan amendment to preserve the use of matrícula consular cards, Bachus presented a letter for the record written by Deputy Atty. Gen. James B. Comey and addressed to Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert. The letter, dated Sept. 14, 2004, stated:

The Department of Justice fully supports the Administration’s current policy under the USA PATRIOT Act that requires banks and other financial institutions to establish reasonable procedures for the identification and verification of new account holders, which is set forth in regulations of the Department of the Treasury. Therefore the [Justice] Department supports the Oxley-Frank-Kolbe amendment to H.R. 5025 that preserves these regulations. . . . The Department of Justice, including the FBI, continue[s] to work closely with the Treasury Department on this and other issues related to halting all financing of terrorists.

In the final roll call vote, 49 Republicans supported the Oxley-Frank-Kolbe-Pastor-Hinojosa amendment and 16 Democrats opposed it. This legislative victory was a joint effort by financial institutions, immigrants’ rights groups, consumer groups, and many others who worked in coalition to defeat, once again, efforts to limit the acceptance of consular ID cards by banks, credit unions, thrifts, and other financial entities.

In Bush's June 17, 2002 speech, he also called for the creation of the American Dream Down Payment Fund.

And so here are some of the ways to address the issue. First, the single greatest barrier to first time homeownership is a high downpayment. It is really hard for many, many, low income families to make the high downpayment. And so that's why I propose and urge Congress to fully fund the American Dream Downpayment Fund. This will use money, taxpayers' money to help a qualified, low income buyer make a downpayment. And that's important.

And, the 108th Congress (2003-2005) responded with the American Dream Downpayment Act:

Amends the Cranston-Gonzalez National Affordable Housing Act to: (1) authorize the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development to make grants to State and local participating jurisdictions for downpayment assistance and related home repair to low-income, first-time home buyers; and (2) limit family assistance to the greater of six percent of the purchase price or $10,000. Requires a participating jurisdiction to include intended grant uses in its fiscal year comprehensive housing affordability strategy under such Act.

Sets forth State and local jurisdiction allocation formulas. Permits fund reallocation.

Requires the Comptroller General to report respecting the impact of such grants on a State-by-State basis.

Terminates grant authority after December 31, 2007. Authorizes specified FY 2004 through 2007 appropriations.

Makes the Uniform Relocation Assistance and Real Property Acquisition Policies Act of 1970 inapplicable to such assistance.

The act was authorized to appropriate up to $200 million per year of US taxpayer funds between FY2004 through FY2007 to go to Bush's 'minorities'.

The sponsor and co-sponsors of this $800 million giveaway:

Sponsor: Sen. Wayne Allard [R-CO]

Co-sponsors:
Sen. Samuel Brownback [R-KS]
Sen. Conrad Burns [R-MT]
Sen. Ben Campbell [R-CO]
Sen. Michael Crapo [R-ID]
Sen. Michael Enzi [R-WY]
Sen. Charles Hagel [R-NE]
Sen. Lisa Murkowski [R-AK]
Sen. Richard Santorum [R-PA]
Sen. Jefferson Sessions [R-AL]

In the 2004 election cycle, mortgage bankers and brokers poured nearly $847,000 into Mr. Bush’s re-election campaign, more than triple their contributions in 2000, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics. The administration did not finalize the new rules until last month. (See: White House Philosophy Stoked Mortgage Bonfire)

21 posted on 01/12/2009 5:15:47 PM PST by Ol' Dan Tucker (While the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power.)
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To: rabscuttle385

He’s been enforcing the border since 2005...the numbers plainly show it.

You can forget that now too.


22 posted on 01/12/2009 5:16:17 PM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: Steamburg

Just wait till the hometown folks ‘splain it to W when he comes back to live near them. He’ll get an earful at the coffee shops, BELIEVE me!


23 posted on 01/12/2009 5:16:43 PM PST by NordP (CONSERVATIVE AGAIN IN 2010 ..... Now, is it 2012 yet ???)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Compared to what’s coming...it was a good deal.


24 posted on 01/12/2009 5:19:42 PM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY? WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE (BUSH WORSHIPPERS).

The Republican Party (and...FR) is infested with "pragmatists" who care more for power than abiding by one's core principles.

25 posted on 01/12/2009 5:20:19 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385
"I'm very worried about the message that said, 'Republicans are anti-immigrant.'"

He should be worried about our nation being overrun with diseased, lawbreaking, freeloading ingrates, the majority of whom have no intention of assimilating.

26 posted on 01/12/2009 5:21:16 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: A.Hun

Bush wanted amnesty back in 2001 but 9/11 foiled his plan for a few years...of course, he tried again the last few years until all of those “closed-minded” Americans (read: bigots and vigilantes) called their congressional representatives to complain.


27 posted on 01/12/2009 5:22:04 PM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: A.Hun
That may be the funniest post I have ever seen on FR. Congratulations.

Please, W is so blind on the invasion it is hysterical. The Dems would of lined right up and gone for anything he wanted if he had just made a good argument. As it was he lined up with the Dems. There is no defedning him on the invaders. He called me racists for not wanting an illegal invasion. SCREW him and his horse.

28 posted on 01/12/2009 5:22:13 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Government only does one thing well - WASTE MONEY!)
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To: A.Hun

Yes, amnesty at 80 mph versus 100. I don’t see much difference.


29 posted on 01/12/2009 5:23:15 PM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: A.Hun
Sure, just like he got us the best Prescription Drug plan, Farm Bill, Education Bill, and Banker bailout.....you are a blind fool. And now you are going to blame us for Obama.

You guys don't have the honor to admit when you are wrong and that GWB was a failure as a President...and a lying sack of dung about being a conservative. He used us like his father....and Thank God we are rid of him !

30 posted on 01/12/2009 5:23:35 PM PST by mick
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To: NordP

That is why he will be moving to his new ranch in Paraguay in very short order.


31 posted on 01/12/2009 5:23:44 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Government only does one thing well - WASTE MONEY!)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

Dude nice collection!!!


32 posted on 01/12/2009 5:24:25 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Government only does one thing well - WASTE MONEY!)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Bush makes me want to vomit just hearing him speak. He will not be missed for the most part. Conservatives even had to push for Roberts and Alito. W really wanted Gonzales and Miers.


33 posted on 01/12/2009 5:26:38 PM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: rabscuttle385

Your core principles helped elect Obama. Thanks. You could have rallied around the President on all of his immigration reform and been far better off than you are right now. Instead, destroying the President was preferable.

By the way, you obviously want the President to discard his core priciple...treating illegals with compassion. What makes your principles sacrosanct and his principle so easily trashed?

Do you consider yourself that superior?


34 posted on 01/12/2009 5:27:22 PM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: A.Hun; rabscuttle385
He’s been enforcing the border since 2005...the numbers plainly show it.

You can forget that now too.


Care to share where you get your figures because I don't believe you.

Furthermore, if Bush or McAmnesty had gotten their Amnesty plans successfully passed, the GOP would be stone cold dead because the small "l" libertarians and most of the conservatives would have left the party and he would have picked up at most 30% of the Illegal ALien vote since they have a habit for looking for free hand-outs which the Democrats are only so glad to give them and the GOP, more or less, would not be giving them.

That's some fantasy land you're living in bub!
35 posted on 01/12/2009 5:28:37 PM PST by SoConPubbie (GOP: If you reward bad behavior all you get is more bad behavior.)
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To: Comparative Advantage
The issue of the Supremes tells in a nut shell - how W sees the world and protects his ‘friends”. Most of whom are a joke.
36 posted on 01/12/2009 5:29:06 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Government only does one thing well - WASTE MONEY!)
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To: SoConPubbie

You can go look it up yourself...


37 posted on 01/12/2009 5:29:55 PM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: devane617; NordP
When he moves back to Dallas, reality will set in.

He’ll get an earful at the coffee shops

Why would reality set in? He will never come within miles of anything that resembles public health care or public education and illegals will be taking care of his lawn. And I doubt he will be spending much time in the local coffee shops. ;-)

38 posted on 01/12/2009 5:30:19 PM PST by doc1019 (The Manchurian candidate of the Islamic world is about to occupy the White House!)
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To: rabscuttle385
Ya know if he put as much energy into cutting spending, countering the ‘Rat lies, and marginalizing Juan McAmnesty, as he did immigration, he be a leader. Alas, he's barely better than any ‘Rat. Probably the high mark of the GOP for the next several years. Pathetic and wasted many years of political capital.
39 posted on 01/12/2009 5:32:26 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: rabscuttle385

History will forget what Bush didn’t do just before Obama rams it down our throats and ensures a permanant democrat majority.


40 posted on 01/12/2009 5:33:43 PM PST by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: South40

You can’t just disagree with his positions, you have to get down in the gutter like the left and name-call. If he’s trash what in the hell does that make you?


41 posted on 01/12/2009 5:35:20 PM PST by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: umgud

You got that right - we’re doomed and it sucks.


42 posted on 01/12/2009 5:35:55 PM PST by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: A.Hun; SoConPubbie
He’s been enforcing the border since 2005

Bush budget scraps 9,790 border patrol agents, Feb. 9, 2005

43 posted on 01/12/2009 5:37:26 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: newfreep

The sad thing is that the GOP led congress authorized $200M for border enforcement in ‘05 and the Bush administration refused to use most of it.


44 posted on 01/12/2009 5:39:46 PM PST by Comparative Advantage
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To: South40

Bush has destroyed the GOP.


45 posted on 01/12/2009 5:40:09 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: rabscuttle385
President was right, the market should decide how many Mexicans come to pick our crops. Amazingly enough, millions have gone home w/the downturn.

Build the wall. How big a gummit agency should we build to round up Mexicans and shovel them back across the Rio Grande? How long will they stay there? 24 hrs? How would a Governor of TX ever know anything about immigration?

Let the name calling begin. Anybody notice how the immigration brigade will never discuss and only yell and name call?

Pray for W, America and Our Troops

46 posted on 01/12/2009 5:40:09 PM PST by bray (Gov Palin isn't ready for the District of Corruption)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Funny. Liberals threaten to leave. Conservatives who can “will” leave.


47 posted on 01/12/2009 5:40:16 PM PST by screaminsunshine (.)
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To: A.Hun
Your core principles helped elect Obama.

How many times did Jorge campaign with Juan McNitwit?

How many times did Bush say anything bad about the O?

Blaming the messenger never works.

The GOP sucks and will continue to lose until they embrace Conservative principles ... and if they don't they they go the way of the Whigs. Rat lite is foolish.

48 posted on 01/12/2009 5:41:35 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: umgud

Sadly McCain would have shoved immigration down our throats also...thus ensuring a permanent Dem majority. We can’t win.


49 posted on 01/12/2009 5:42:05 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: umgud

In the coming chaos inflicted by the Demopublicans it won’t matter. This system is coming down.


50 posted on 01/12/2009 5:42:05 PM PST by screaminsunshine (.)
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