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To: achilles2000

I couldn’t agree more. There is NO HOPE of bringing our country back to traditional morals and beliefs as long as the enemy controls the public schools. And the preferred solution is not to retreat into the equivalent of desert monateries while the world goes to hell, but to convert the world.

Not everyone can afford to home school their children, financially or intellectually or morally. People pay taxes to support the public schools, yet are expected to send their kids to private religious schools or homeschool them as well.

No, we need to take back the public schools.

As things stand, conservative, Christian families have far more kids than liberals, but liberals take those kids and pervert them. That’s the only reason why the culture continues to move left.

I once thought, for instance, that as abuses in our public colleges continued to multiply, with kids being taught to bend gender and hate their parents, legislators would finally act. Well, they haven’t. Instead, they are busy supporting gay rights in public colleges. That kind of thing will only end if the religious conservatives get serious about ending it, instead of thinking they can isolate their kids from the culture in cocoons. Unfortunately, those kids will eventually have to go out into the world and deal with it.

Augustine lays it out in “The City of God.” Christians are like exiles in this world, but as long as they are living in the eartnly city they owe it to their neighbors and themselves to try to make that city a better place, even though their true home is the Heavenly City. The left is very happy when they can drive Christian conservatives back into their homes and keep them out of politics. And the worst thing about RINO politicians is that they love to help the Democrats disenfranchise religious conservatives. They cannot be allowed to succeed.


2 posted on 01/13/2009 8:20:53 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

We need to fight so that eventually we retake our public schools. But meanwhile, we need to take our children’s educations into our own hands. We homeschooled. It was inexpensive. What is the biggest cost? That the teaching spouse not work. I bought little workbooks, went to the library for books, paper costs little, old encyclopedia set cost $10. Our son got VERY HIGH SAT scores.

We might reform public education, but it will be a grain of sand at a time, one teacher who gets it in her particular classroom, IF her Principal lets her do it her way.

The Catholic schools were formed for this very reason, long ago. The public schools were teaching secular subjects even then. Catholic nuns/ diocese stepped in and created the schools THEY envisioned. And taught for free.

There is always a way. The cost is in time and effort expended, as it is with anything of true value.


3 posted on 01/13/2009 8:35:18 AM PST by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: Cicero

You will never “take back the public schools”. That model has been tried and has failed for decades for reasons that are obvious ($600 billion /year buys a lot of friends).

Frankly, the economic excuse for not removing children is wearing thin. A parent can, for example, provide a child with a full service homeschool program through CLASS for less than $50/month. The materials are superior to any to be found in any government school. In addition to the money, a parent needs to give his child about 10 hours a week.

As for the “What about my “free” daycare” wail that we hear from so many parents...they need to grow up and figure out a solution with friends neighbors, grandparents, other homeschoolers, etc. A majority of parents can do this, and if even another 20% did it, the government schools would be “reformed” out of existence.

Socialism is immoral, and government schools are just socialism in education. People need to kick their addiction to their government school welfare entitlement. That would do more to change the direction of the country than anything else we are still free to do. And, it could be done overnight.

BTW, this isn’t directed at you personally. My only point to you is that you have the wrong solution.


10 posted on 01/13/2009 9:05:15 AM PST by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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To: Cicero; bboop; achilles2000
Missionary work is NOT child's play. It is abusive to send children into battle to do a man's job!

I am reminded of the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s. The Iranians used little children to sweep the fields for landmines. After the children were blown up, then the adult soldiers passed through the fields.

Sending children into the atheistic government schools is like using children as spiritual landmine sweepers!!! YES! It is **that** serious! Geeze! The Iranian children merely lost their lives. Our children lose their eternal souls!

If every Christian removed their child from the government schools, and then organized a school tax revolt at the polls, the atheistic Marxist government schools could be closed completely down within a year!

That is the solution that is needed.

The government schools system isn't broken. There is nothing to “take back”. The goal of the government schools from the very inception has been **socialism**! Their goal has always been to create good little workers who worship the state. It is doing an excellent job! It is working perfectly!!!

In the past our family values were able overcome the influences of the socialistic government schools, but with each generation the government school indoctrination makes more and more inroads. We are not at a critical point. The government schools must be SHUT DOWN. The best way to do that is to remove your kids and organize a legal tax revolt.

16 posted on 01/13/2009 1:52:40 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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