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To: muawiyah
So, if Bernie Madoff was not making trades there were never any trading irregularities for the SEC to investigate! I think we have a clue about what's going on here ~

Please explain. Why would people invest thinking there was 'trading' taking place? Geeeze this mess is so out there I am not even sure what questions to ask... Was there ever 50billion in the first place?

8 posted on 01/15/2009 6:47:33 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Madoff took money in. He also paid some money out. He simply never invested any of it anywhere ~ although folks assume he has a stash somewhere (which might not be the case).

He gave his "customers" simple reports that just made up stuff.

You could do this with nothing more elaborate than a pre-printed formal letterhead, Quicken and an inkjet printer.

One guy.

11 posted on 01/15/2009 6:50:33 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Just mythoughts

There may be an offshore account. Bernie may yet escape jail if makes restitution...he could return the original investment. This would cost less than 50 billion.

However, he was paying out about 10 % a year to investors and living high on the hog so there not be any money left.


21 posted on 01/15/2009 6:57:57 AM PST by bronxboy
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To: Just mythoughts
Why would people invest thinking there was 'trading' taking place?

He took money in from new clients, kept a percentage as a fee, and paid the rest out to existing clients as returns. No need to make trades. It works as long as you can keep bringing enough new money in every year. The government calls this Social Security. ;)

24 posted on 01/15/2009 7:00:48 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: Just mythoughts
Why would people invest thinking there was 'trading' taking place?

Some people thought Maddoff was making his high returns by trading with inside information, e.g. taking advantage of future trades made by his brokerage firm. Of course, doing that is illegal and they had to know that, but it would give them incredible returns.

Personally, I believe he was shipping money to off shore accounts and some insiders, who are crying that they've been scammed, have their untaxed money safely offshore.

48 posted on 01/15/2009 7:21:18 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Just mythoughts
Was there ever 50billion in the first place?

Only on paper. My guess is he took in a billion or two and pretended that it grew to 50B. Along the way he also paid out some. But with the returns he claimed, he got to 50B on paper rather easily.

66 posted on 01/15/2009 8:09:07 AM PST by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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