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COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum. (Trolling 101)
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Posted on 01/16/2009 12:36:53 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator

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To: MaggieCarta

No you aren’t. I noticed this earlier and tried to clean it up when posting. It was full of UK spelling.


101 posted on 01/16/2009 4:22:09 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: hoosiermama

We do try to clean those up when reported or when we catch them. It is why reporting is so important if you see it.


102 posted on 01/16/2009 4:23:13 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Billthedrill

Is not.


103 posted on 01/16/2009 4:27:29 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Admin Moderator

Wasn’t sure if you could do anything...Reported once and didn’t see results. But I will report from now on.

THANK YOU.

BTW read through the thread again....Sure can’t say freepers don’t have a humorous side.


104 posted on 01/16/2009 4:29:05 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Please post (in full) the footnoted sources of the information you are claiming.

How do you know that “kicking their @sses!” will do any good? Are you a professional “kicker” ?? Do you have some special affinity for “@sses”?
What exactly are you not telling us?


105 posted on 01/16/2009 4:30:43 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: hoosiermama

I have a femur or two also.


106 posted on 01/16/2009 4:32:16 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: xcamel

LOL RIGHT ON!


107 posted on 01/16/2009 4:32:20 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: xcamel; LucyT; STARWISE; Calpernia; BP2; FreeManN; Brad's Gramma

I’ll nominate this one for the “Laugh of the Day” post!

Sorry BG...Yours alway get honorable mention.....


108 posted on 01/16/2009 4:53:44 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: Gondring
oops..sorry ‘bout the wordwrap (reply to post 27)

I see how it works. You reply to the post that you want deleted, pretending that it was yours. At the same time, you hit the abuse button to signal your fellow troll / moderator to delete the post. Then people like us come along later and it looks like you harmlessly pulled your own post.

109 posted on 01/16/2009 4:58:17 PM PST by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: Kevmo
LJ has a list of 25 or so thread-specific (certifiGate) trolls

I asked to be on thag troll list, but my application was apparently denied.

110 posted on 01/16/2009 5:04:17 PM PST by palmer (Some third party malcontents don't like Palin because she is a true conservative)
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To: greyfoxx39; Tennessee Nana; Diogenesis; Reagan Man

I wonder if this was used by a particular campaign we all “know and love”? Still in effect from what I can tell.


111 posted on 01/16/2009 5:12:00 PM PST by big'ol_freeper (Sexual Chocolate Almond Chip with extra Hot Fudge)
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To: xcamel
The worst is when you nail a moonbat hard, and then they post personal information on FR about you

How can they learn personal information about a poster? Or are lies fabricated? Plus I thought we were incognito. By the way, as a newbie, will you all let me know if I am on the suspect list? Not that it matters because I have an uncontrollable urge to post till you kick me off. And What About the Mentor Program?
112 posted on 01/16/2009 5:36:45 PM PST by SisterK (UN Headquarters should relocate to Iran)
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To: SisterK
It happens when someone is so rabid, that they spend several days searching out any other posts or tracks you may have left on the internet and put the pieces together, from emails, blogs, web pages, other forums, etc.
113 posted on 01/16/2009 5:50:46 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: hoosiermama

*gasp*

ONLY honorable mention???

You couldn’t even capitalize Honorable???

I shall go sulk now.

:)


114 posted on 01/16/2009 5:54:22 PM PST by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: xcamel

“Please post (in full) the footnoted sources of the information you are claiming. What exactly are you not telling us?”

That’s for ME(1) to know(2) and YOU(3) to find(4) out. Neener-Neener!(5) *SMIRK* (6)

* 1 Academic usage
* 2 Footnotes as a literary device
* 3 Opponents of footnotes
* 4 See also
* 5 References
* 6 Further reading


115 posted on 01/16/2009 6:09:03 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: xcamel; Sidebar Moderator; Lead Moderator; Admin Moderator; All

but “arms length posters” who post angry and usually mild profanity filled

~~~

Those of us who’ve been through more than 3 election cycles here know the troll gig well .. there’s been quite a few lately I’d put in that category:

*n00bs with a mission*

Luckily, we have search, so you can get a Rorschach of their angle and patterns.

Ignoring them does work.

Just generally, there’s an increase in the profane, vulgar, abusive or obscene posters. They may or may not be part of a personal attack post.

Can those be dealt with ?

And I’m not saying those posts are in the majority from n00bs .. there are oldtimers who seem to have adopted less than civil posting habits.

We want good n00bs, we want our base to increase and FR to keep growing, but I notice the fall off of many familiar posters since that type of post seems to have increased, and the posters are not being reined in.

More than a few FReepers have told me they’re staying away more and more because of the discomfort created by those guys. They create a very uncomfortable, uncivil environment.

Just my 2-12 cents .. flame away ... ;)

~~~

Thank you, Mods!


116 posted on 01/16/2009 6:18:38 PM PST by STARWISE ((They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: xcamel

So it is to my advantage to remain a nobody. Operational security.


117 posted on 01/16/2009 6:24:08 PM PST by SisterK (UN Headquarters should relocate to Iran)
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To: null and void

In my Navy days we were, “killing commies from mommy,” though nuking gay baby whales was a popular second.


118 posted on 01/16/2009 6:34:12 PM PST by j_tull (Jeremiah Wright's prayer has been answered. God has damned America.)
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To: j_tull; Sidebar Moderator; Lead Moderator; Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson; penelopesire; ...

Tuesday, October 28, 2008
Feeling a Little Down, Binky?

well knock it the hell off and cowboy up!

Srsly - there’s lots of weird oogie vibes around this week - and it ain’t Halloween. It’s planned - with malice aforethought:

Check out this little tidbit from comments at HillBuzz:

***

I work for a campaign ...We pay people and organize people to go to all the online sites and “play the part of a clinton or mccain supporter who just switched our support for obama”

We know, Honey—it’s called astroturfing Axelturfing. But lots of folks don’t know—and they’re the ones getting ‘a little down in the dumps’ and their ‘downs’ are spreading. It’s viral. Only this virus was made in a [PR] lab somewhere and released intentionally on an unsuspecting populace.

We do this to stifle your motivation and to destroy your confidence.

We did this the whole primary and it worked.

Sprinkle in mass vote confusion and it becomes bewildering. Most people lose patience and just give up on their support of a candidate and decide to just block out tv, news, websites, etc.

Very Alinsky-esque.

~~~

More here

http://e-biscuit.com/index.php/weblog/feeling_a_little_down_binky/


119 posted on 01/16/2009 7:24:00 PM PST by STARWISE ((They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: All

Trolls!


120 posted on 01/16/2009 7:40:42 PM PST by TigersEye (One shot revolution.)
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To: All

That’s what I thought. {{{crickets}}}


121 posted on 01/16/2009 7:42:57 PM PST by TigersEye (One shot revolution.)
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To: TigersEye

Troll crickets?


122 posted on 01/16/2009 7:43:42 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

Wellllll, looky there! I got a bite on both lines.


123 posted on 01/16/2009 7:48:41 PM PST by TigersEye (One shot revolution.)
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To: TigersEye
You're too easy to please. ;^)
124 posted on 01/16/2009 8:18:49 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: palmer
Not clear without a smiley whether you're being serious or not, but in case you are, I didn't hit abuse. See #30 (and then #83).

And if you were joking, then, "Oh, no...you're on to me! ;-)"

125 posted on 01/16/2009 8:21:07 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: MHGinTN

Yep, just give me a fishing pole and a box of crickets and I’m all set for a little troll trolling. ;^)


126 posted on 01/16/2009 8:29:01 PM PST by TigersEye (One shot revolution.)
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To: trooprally

Thanks...I am sure that anything I post gives away the fact I am a newbie!


127 posted on 01/16/2009 8:33:30 PM PST by 3D-JOY
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To: MirandaRietz
The article is extremely interesting and it deserves everyone’s attention for sure. Obama said he would be asking for help even after he was in office and many said they would be sitting by their phone waiting for his call.

He does love his Blackbarry(s) doesn't he?

Did you hear that he dropped his Blackberry today? Where would we be without the MSM?

128 posted on 01/16/2009 8:40:49 PM PST by TigersEye (One shot revolution.)
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To: hoosiermama; Star Traveler; Admin Moderator; little jeremiah

Here’s a discussion we had on that other thread that seems pertinent. Let’s get the admin moderator to agree what the definition of troll is so we can start workups on all the certifiGate trolls operating right now.

To: hoosiermama; Jim Robinson; Star Traveler
Please stop using the term TROll .
***I’d be more than happy to if the recipient does not fit the definition of troll. Where is that definition? I’ve offered to help generate it, no takers. Star fits the definition of an issue-specific troll.

It is not in the interest of open expersion of ideas and Star is really trying to share his thoughts.
***When it’s an open expression of the same debunked troll argument for the 15th time, it’s time to use the word Troll.

They may not be the same as yours , but he (as we all do) still have our right to express them.
***I don’t deny him the right to express them, I just think he fits the definition of troll. He’s here to disrupt. He admits he does it for entertainment. That’s not conducive to open expression of ideas, is it?

810 posted on 01/15/2009 10:06:32 PM PST by Kevmo ( It’s all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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129 posted on 01/16/2009 9:02:03 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Admin Moderator; hoosiermama; LucyT; pissant; SE Mom; Calpernia; Polarik

We do try to clean those up when reported or when we catch them. It is why reporting is so important if you see it.
***It doesn’t seem like you folks tried very hard here. As a result, the keyword abuse has continued to today. What gives?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2146370/posts?page=29#29

To: LucyT; pissant; SE Mom; Calpernia; Polarik; Admin Moderator
For your respective ping lists, and also for the mods to once again investigate keyword abuse on certifigate threads.

blackhelicopters; conspiracytheories; nirther; nutobamatrollsdaily; tinfoilhats; wingnutdaily;

26 posted on Thursday, December 11, 2008 1:34:26 AM by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: Kevmo
We will not look into your request.

Thanks,

27 posted on Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:45:37 AM by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson
We will not look into your request.
***The admin mod did before and the troll “Searchin” was zotted. I notice that was when JimRob was cc’d. My keyword abuse investigation requests will be cc’ing JimRob from now on.

28 posted on Thursday, December 11, 2008 1:11:10 PM by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: Kevmo
Whatever floats your boat.

29 posted on Thursday, December 11, 2008 1:27:54 PM by Admin Moderator
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130 posted on 01/16/2009 9:09:11 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Kevmo; moder_ator; Star Traveler

I appreciate your ping. Star travelor had been away from the threads for severl weeks and was trying to join in the conversation....There was no reason for the name calling except you recognized the name... Maybe the poster had a change of style....maybe even a change of heart...

Sorry sir but you were out of line then and are out of line now in thinking that name calling is a respectable form of communication or debate...and I’ll stand by my original post for you to stop it.

It’s a form of invalidation and is not acceptable between adults. No matter which side of the issue you are on......


131 posted on 01/16/2009 9:15:21 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: Kevmo

So some of the mods are trolls, then? They like keyword spam trolldom?

(BTW - your dissection - or would it be vivisection - of ST’s logorrhea were stellar!!)


132 posted on 01/16/2009 9:15:37 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Gondring

Decades of experience has shown that the most effective way to deal with trolling is to ignore those who troll.
***That doesn’t work against gangs of trolls. We saw that in the tootyfruityrudy brigade, and many of them committed freepercide on the bugzapper thread. How many of them didn’t? Several of them have returned.

Now we see similar tactics on the CoLB threads. When trolls play tag team, it’s time for the higher ups at FR to do something about the problem or they just invite more abuse.


133 posted on 01/16/2009 9:16:18 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: SisterK

Here’s a nickel’s worth of free mentoring:

First, when you disagree and dispute another poster, do so respectfully, at least the first time.

Second, when you make a sarcastic remark that may be out of context, or could be mistaken for a serious remark, use the “/sarc” tag (that means “end-sarcasm” :)

Third, use documented (or at least documentable) facts to make your point.

Fourth, if someone posts something you don’t understand (due to phrases, jargon, acronyms, or whatever reason), ask what they mean. If they object to am honest question, they’re just being a jerk.

Which brings us to the fifth penny in your free nickel... Have fun, and don’t take the debates here on FR personally. If you are passionate about a topic, that doesn’t mean you are more or less of a person when you win or lose a particular discussion.

Of course, there are other long time (and LONGER time) posters who might disagree with every point I’ve made, so...


134 posted on 01/16/2009 9:18:10 PM PST by MortMan (Those who stand for nothing fall for anything. - Alexander Hamilton)
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To: hoosiermama; Admin Moderator; Star Traveler

I’ll stand by my original post for you to stop it.
***And I stand by my original assessment that ST fits the definition. It’s plain for all to see. Of course, part of that issue is whether the mods stick to what’s mentioned here as the definition or if they have their own that we don’t know about.

This should be a formal process of open accusation, show how the troll fits the definition on an open thread, and let the mods decide out in the open. Everyone learns that way. It’s simple. KISS.


135 posted on 01/16/2009 9:20:48 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: hoosiermama; Kevmo; MHGinTN

Perhaps you have not been interacting with ST the way Kevmo and others have. There is a history with that person and several of us - just pinged two of them - have dealt with the purposeful disrution for a long time. Anyone who admits that they post in such a manner for their own entertainment is admitting they are a troll; along with the other evidence such as Kevmo has noted. People who just aren’t up to speed or have rational disagreements are conspicuous by different manner, attitude and posting history.


136 posted on 01/16/2009 9:21:21 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: little jeremiah

So some of the mods are trolls, then?
***No Freepin’ Way. My assessment is that they’re just... really busy. Having an open troll accusation thread would help them do their jobs rather than hinder them, and everyone would learn. A rare Win-win-win.


137 posted on 01/16/2009 9:24:09 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Kevmo

Heck, I didn’t mean you said that! I was sort of tongue in cheek...


138 posted on 01/16/2009 9:25:46 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: xcamel

Please post (in full) the footnoted sources of the information you are claiming.

How do you know that “kicking their @sses!” will do any good? Are you a professional “kicker” ?? Do you have some special affinity for “@sses”?
What exactly are you not telling us?
***To add:
Where are the procedures and statutes for “kick their @sses”? It’s up to YOU to prove that they “kick their @sses”? I’m not convinced — show me the notarized and signed proof that someone just “kicked their @sses”. Just because the highest law of the land says you can’t “kick their @sses” doesn’t mean anything — where are the statutes and procedures for “kick their @sses”?


139 posted on 01/16/2009 9:29:49 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: little jeremiah

I don’t need no steenkin’ trouble with the mods...

Where’s the html tag for /TongueInCheek?


140 posted on 01/16/2009 9:31:26 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Kevmo

:-p


141 posted on 01/16/2009 9:32:17 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator

Thanks for the info.


142 posted on 01/16/2009 9:35:45 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: little jeremiah; Kevmo; moder_ator; MHGinTN

I’m aware of their past behavior....But also aware they are trying, for what ever reason to change that behavior,....
We’ve had people with alcohol/drug abuse, mental problems etc etc on FR, I’m sure the moderator can tell some stories...
Regardless read the rules on the from page and temember this is a classy place not the DOS. It has been a traditions here to NOT ATTACK ANOTHER FREEPER.

If you attack you lower yourself to their level. JIm has said repeatedly to ignore it. I say chose your actions don’t react..

Now the moderators have given you a method of dealing with people who meet the criteria on the post. No where do I see name calling listed. I know from some friend that are no longer here at FR that even “good people” get sucked into behaviors that the Mods ban people for....Get in a fiasco even if you don’t start it and you’ll see the results.


143 posted on 01/16/2009 9:40:21 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: hoosiermama; little jeremiah; MHGinTN; Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator

I’m aware of their past behavior....But also aware they are trying, for what ever reason to change that behavior,....
***There is not much evidence of such an attempt to change the behavior.

We’ve had people with alcohol/drug abuse, mental problems etc etc on FR, I’m sure the moderator can tell some stories...
***And I’m sure it’s all a very sad story as well. But trolling is trolling and it is a disruption of this forum, regardless of what medication someone is on and whether it’s self prescribed. When 2 or 3 self-medicators get going on a thread, it’s a sign that the mods need to do something about it. It took months to get satisfaction with the tootyfruityrudybots.

Regardless read the rules on the from page and temember this is a classy place not the DOS. It has been a traditions here to NOT ATTACK ANOTHER FREEPER.
***JimRob seems to have set a tradition when he opened the bugzapper thread and directly attacked a long term freeper and zotted him. And the trolls (and everyone else) should be reading the front page where it says on the first sentence of JimRob’s Statement from the founder, we defend the constitution.
“Statement by FR’s Founder:
In our continuing fight for freedom, for America and our constitution...”

Later on in that statement is some telling stuff about the idealogy of this site, which RINOs have a lot of trouble with. Many of them hem and haw when they see this, and it’s on the FIRST PAGE.

“As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. ....We believe in defending our borders .... We are not connected to or funded by any political party, news agency, or any other entity. “

If you attack you lower yourself to their level. JIm has said repeatedly to ignore it. I say chose your actions don’t react..
***When you’re dealing with one troll, it’s polite to let them dig their own hole. When you’re dealing with multiple trolls operating in tag team, that does not work. It’s significant that JimRob kept saying the same thing about the tootyfruityrudybot trolls until he went into the trenches with us, specifically I think it was CeltJewLibertarian who gave him a hard time and soon afterwards we saw the bugzapper thread.

Now the moderators have given you a method of dealing with people who meet the criteria on the post.
***The method appears to be incomplete and secretive. I prefer to operate out in the open. In our society you have the right to face your accuser and this site should reflect that tradition when someone is being accused of being a troll.

No where do I see name calling listed. I know from some friend that are no longer here at FR that even “good people” get sucked into behaviors that the Mods ban people for....Get in a fiasco even if you don’t start it and you’ll see the results.
***I’ve seen that myself. The process should be very open. In the end, bad behavior is bad behavior and the mods have the right to clean up the site. We should just be very upfront about what behavior triggers it and what behavior doesn’t, even if those behaviors change, as human nature is wont to demonstrate.


144 posted on 01/16/2009 10:04:39 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Admin Moderator
No you aren’t. I noticed this earlier and tried to clean it up when posting. It was full of UK spelling.

Thank you!

145 posted on 01/16/2009 10:33:45 PM PST by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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To: hoosiermama

May I direct you to posts 101 and 102 where the moderator is (cough) gently throwing in the word “clean”?

Is this a hint?

It’s a hint.

I’m highly offended.


146 posted on 01/16/2009 11:43:38 PM PST by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Only dull women have immaculate houses.................

Cleanliness may be next to Godliness, but around here it's next to impossible.......

147 posted on 01/17/2009 12:20:14 AM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: hoosiermama

Well then! I am certifiably NOT dull!!
whoo hoo!

Take THAT you mod you!

(gulp)


148 posted on 01/17/2009 12:49:00 AM PST by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: MortMan

Thank you MortMan. Your nickel’s worth of mentoring was very generous. It sounds as if courtesy and intelligence are a way in the door.


149 posted on 01/17/2009 4:37:20 AM PST by SisterK (UN Headquarters should relocate to Iran)
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To: hoosiermama

LOL! Bump to myself. That would be a great tag line!


150 posted on 01/17/2009 5:14:50 AM PST by Judith Anne
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