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Geithner Question: Why use Turbo Tax when you have an accountant?
abcnews.com ^ | 01/21/2009 | Curtis Jacobs

Posted on 01/21/2009 6:30:53 PM PST by CJacobs

Consider the following from the sources:

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Economy/story?id=6691508&page=1

Geithner said he used Turbo Tax to prepare his faulty returns but told the committee "these mistakes were my responsibilities, not the software I used."

Then this quote from this source:

http://townhall.com/blog/g/864948ff-db13-40cc-863a-4cce12813010

"He was paid in an unusual way by the IMF and his accountant gave him bad advice. When the IRS caught the error, Geithner did not apply that lesson to earlier years. He has now paid the money owed."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhotreasury; crime; geithner; government; news; turbotax
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Quick question (or more). If Geithner had an accountant, then why was he using Turbo Tax?
1 posted on 01/21/2009 6:30:54 PM PST by CJacobs
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Its not so much he didn’t pay the taxes, but then he pocketed the check that was to reimburse him for it.


2 posted on 01/21/2009 6:32:47 PM PST by icwhatudo
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If Geithner had an accountant, then why was he using Turbo Tax?

I got this. This should be the shortest thread in the history of FreeRepublic.com.

It's because being caught telling a lie is less harmful to him than the truth.

3 posted on 01/21/2009 6:32:48 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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Maybe he wanted to save money and only paid the accounting to check his returns or for advice on unusual situations. The fact that he was employing an illegal housekeeper suggestions he’s a cheapskate when it’s his own money.


4 posted on 01/21/2009 6:32:49 PM PST by Tax-chick (To oppose the god of this world by lifting up Christ.)
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Didn’t he use TurboTax for a couple years, and then he switched to an accountant who never caught his error for the next few years?


5 posted on 01/21/2009 6:33:09 PM PST by Arguendo
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To: CJacobs
From what I've heard him say, I have formed the opinion that he knew exactly what he was doing. He knew it was wrong, he just thought it wouldn't be a big deal. Of course, he knew that a reputable accountant would not go along with anything improper, so he used a software program that would enable him to gloss over inconvenient facts.

This guy is dirty.

6 posted on 01/21/2009 6:34:20 PM PST by ClearCase_guy
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If Geithner had an accountant, then why was he using Turbo Tax?

Because an honest accountant wouldn't want to sign off on that level of cheating?

7 posted on 01/21/2009 6:34:52 PM PST by GOPJ ("A consensus of 100 scientists is undone by one fact." - - Einstein (take that Al Gore))
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To: Arguendo

This still does not add up. The portion of the quote that sticks out is:

“his accountant gave him bad advice”.

That implies that it was during the withholding and / or filing that the advise was given. This quote does not imply it was “after the fact”.


8 posted on 01/21/2009 6:36:51 PM PST by CJacobs (From the Ozark / Clarksville area)
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This is from The American Thinker:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/01/the_geithner_grossup_grossout.html

On a more serious note: The taxation of executives who worked for international organizations was my particular area of expertise for many years. As Byron York noted, the IMF not only increased Geithner's compensation to reimburse him for the employer's share of the payroll taxes, but that reimbursement was done on a "grossed up" basis. York also noted that the IMF spent a great deal of time reviewing filing requirements and explaining the gross up calculations. The distinction between such payments and one's base compensation is also clearly noted on all wage reports.

9 posted on 01/21/2009 6:38:03 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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The housekeeper thing is no big deal. She was legal when he hired her; it was only for the last couple months that her papers had expired.

The tax thing raises much bigger questions about his ethics, particularly given that he'll be running the Treasury Dept.

10 posted on 01/21/2009 6:38:30 PM PST by Arguendo
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To: GOPJ

I have written both of my senators regarding this appointment. I like what Sean Hannity said tonight. “I wonder if Biden regards Geithner as ‘patriotic.’” Ha! Ha!


11 posted on 01/21/2009 6:38:46 PM PST by BelleAl
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Why would someone who not only has a high income, but a very complex tax situation, use a pre-packaged computer program to calculate their taxes?

It doesn’t even make sense.


12 posted on 01/21/2009 6:39:03 PM PST by I_Like_Spam
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To: Arguendo

He’s a democrat, therefore, he did nothing wrong.

On to prosecuting Bush and Cheney.


13 posted on 01/21/2009 6:41:41 PM PST by MediaMole
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Ooops...I left out the next paragraph which contains the nugget of inconvenient truth Geithner would rather not own up to:

It was my experience that executives who receive reimbursements on a grossed up basis are keenly interested if the amount they have received will indeed make them whole. This usually involves computing a hypothetical tax return, one in which no such payment is received. An explanation may be in order. The money received from the IMF to cover the employer's share of the FICA tax is subject to both federal and state income tax as well as self employment tax.

This means that the employment tax normally due on a base salary of say $150,000 by a US employer can easily become almost double that amount in a high income tax jurisdiction such as New York state and city when paid in the manner used by the IMF.

Because a comprehensive gross up calculation often requires the employee to disclose outside sources of income and deductions in at least general term, they tend to induce some stress and discomfort.

Knowledge of an employee's outside income- or lack thereof- can shift relationships in the workplace. All in all, receiving payments on a grossed up basis are not something that just slips one's mind when preparing an income tax return.

14 posted on 01/21/2009 6:43:58 PM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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To: CJacobs
Because they make you.

/johnny

15 posted on 01/21/2009 6:44:07 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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If Geithner had an accountant, then why was he using Turbo Tax?

I previously wondered about Geitner's accountant. Either Geitner fraudulently concealed income from the accountant or the accountant is a co-conspriator, IMHO. And even if Geitner did conceal income, the accountant wasn't asking the right questions.

ML/NJ

16 posted on 01/21/2009 6:44:26 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: Arguendo
She was legal when he hired her; it was only for the last couple months that her papers had expired.

If he cared, he'd have verified that his foreign employee was legally. You know, like checking her documents and noting a work-permit expiration date?

It just costs more to employ a citizen, that's the key.

17 posted on 01/21/2009 6:44:54 PM PST by Tax-chick (To oppose the god of this world by lifting up Christ.)
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To: I_Like_Spam

This sounds like a typical case of “You’re going to charge me HOW MUCH!!”

The flip side is that I make a pretty decent living getting TurboTax users out of trouble with the IRS...Geithner would need have his retainer up front.


18 posted on 01/21/2009 6:49:05 PM PST by Tucsonican
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To: Texas Eagle
It's because being caught telling a lie is less harmful to him than the truth.

Isn't that what put Libby in Jail?

19 posted on 01/21/2009 6:49:05 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: CJacobs

You know, any other position, frankly to me this wouldn’t be that big of deal, but we’re talking about the FREAKING TREASURY SECRETARY HERE!!!


20 posted on 01/21/2009 7:03:10 PM PST by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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