Posted on 01/22/2009 7:56:16 PM PST by FreeAtlanta
This same sort of rationalizing allowed OJ Simpson to run around for 15 years or so pissing all over "the man" with his boorish behavior and his hangers on.
The 'Polarik' work is filed as evidentiary in the Berg suits and the following is filed as a portion of a legitimate exhibit in the Orly Taitz lawsuit in CA on behalf of Alan Keyes:
Sandra Ramey’s comments re Polarik: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2155990/posts [I wonder, did mlo post on that thread, showing he is once again trying to deceive readers by pretending there is no other witness to Obama's 'inadequate' Internet posting of a supposed CoLB?]
Full PDF version here: http://www.therightsideoflife.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/executedsandralinesdeclaration_1.pdf
"However, the bigger story to this lawsuit is the fact that forensic document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines (pictured) has documented in an associated affidavit (PDF) the following:
2. I have reviewed the attached affidavit posted on the internet from “Ron Polarik,” [PDF] who has declined to provide his name because of a number of death threats he has received. After my review and based on my years of experience, I can state with certainty that the COLB presented on the internet by the various groups, which include the “Daily Kos,” the Obama Campaign, “Factcheck.org” and others cannot be relied upon as genuine. Mr. Polarik raises issues concerning the COLB that I can affirm. Software such as Adobe Photoshop can produce complete images or alter images that appear to be genuine; therefore, any image offered on the internet cannot be relied upon as being a copy of the authentic document.
3. Upon a cursory inspection of the internet COLB, one aspect of the image that is clearly questionable is the obliteration of the Certificate No. That number is a tracking number that would allow anyone to ask the question, “Does this number refer to the Certification of Live Birth for the child Barack Hussein Obama II?” It would not reveal any further personal information; therefore, there would be no justifiable reason for oliterating it.
4. In my experience as a forensic document examiner, if an original of any document exists, that is the document that must be examined to obtain a definitive finding of genuineness or non-genuineness. In this case, examination of the vault birth certificate for President-Elect Obama would lay this issue to rest once and for all.
Jim, this sort of deceit on the part of mlo --to name but one-- pretending there is nothing that has been shown at FR for weeks now repeatedly is why FR is losing credibility as a coservative website dedicated to the Constitutional framework. How many readers passing through FR daily see the lies of an mlo and don't happen to be back around when the exposure of the lies is posted? Allowing this deceit protecting these purposed deceivers using Alinsky methodology is devastating and quite useful to the obamanoid platoon. I don't support Freerepublic to give these liars a venue where they are protected as they lie and play Alinsky games repeatedly.
I've had the same vision, except that Obama claims that he has an illness that forces him to resign.
Case in point:
[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.
(c) The fee for each application for registration shall be established by rule adopted pursuant to chapter 91. [L 1982, c 182, §1]
My was not a vision....it was a dream and those types of dreams are from The Lord.
You are seeing what you want to see. There was a direct question, with a direct answer.
"Yet,,,You don’t want US to have/see the “Vault Copy” of"
You are making some incorrect assumptions. When someone makes a claim about Hawaiian law they should cite it. That way others know exactly what they are talking about. Also so that other readers, like you, will know what basis the claim has. Without proof none of these claims should be believed.
As for not wanting the vault copy to come out, I've got no problem with it coming out. I'd love for someone to get their hands on it. I'm just pointing out that it is not required, and that there is no reasonable doubt that if it does it will do anything but confirm what we already know.
The seal is impressions in the paper. It is harder to see in the scan. But it is there if you know where to look. I can see it. Polarik acknowledges that it is there.
In 1961, father's race would have been Negroid not african.This is a dan Rather fake but accurate
Having the original record on file, which was confirmed after the officials saw the internet document, is confirmation of birth in Hawaii. That one of the officials explicitly said so is gravy.
Either that or you believe the officials are in on it. But when you start accusing officials of lying and documents of forgery you are removing any foundation for knowing anything. Then you restrict yourself to weak stories that anyone can make up. It'll be JFK conspiracies all over again.
They aren't fallacies because you disagree with them.
That there is a "birther mythology" is a fact. The term "birther" is not an ad hominem. As for the "anyone born outside Hawaii", I'm repeating a birther claim. Take it up with them.
Mine come from The Lord, Jesus Christ. ;o) Blessings to you for all the profound work you’ve done over the forged BO BC....no one took the time and the effort you did and I give you a heart felt THANK YOU.
How many times do you have to asked to express your disagreements without attacking people?
The fact that the same claims have been repeated does not somehow make them true or unquestionable. Why don't I accuse you of lying for pretending you haven't seen the rebuttals?
See #150
Lines endorsed *none* of the forgery allegations that were made about this document.
These facts have also been repeated to you previously.
This law provides a method through which parents might apply for a birth certificate for their child born elsewhere. Having a birth certificate is pretty much a requirement in this era and if you were out of the country when your child was born you might need recourse to method like ths. But it isn't carte blanche. They won't hand them out to just anyone.
"provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child."
There are rules. And it doesn't say the certificate will *lie* about anything, like where the child is born. In fact it shows a concern for fraud.
"The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate."
But even more importantly for us, do you know when this law was passed? Was it the law in 1961?
That bit at the bottom that looks like "[L 1982, c 182, §1]"? That means it was passed in 1982. Twenty one years after Obama was born.
Dude there is no evidence. There is a case coming soon that will be able to get the evidence. 2010 should hopefully be good because a few million people are already furious at Barrack “no white male construction workers” Obama or Barrack “catch & release terrorists” Obama.
Wait until the white union workers who voted for him start getting replaced. Wait til the white young male and females who voted for him cannot get a job due to the economy and affrimative action on steroids. Wait until the young people who voted for him start getting drafted under Rangel’s military draft.
It will not take that long because one of these cases with military people will expose the emperor with no clothes. Our soldiers are expect to die defending the Constitution yet they have no standing? No it is going to happen.
Am I racist - no. I would be content with a real African-AMERICAN like Gov Paterson of NY as in boirn in America to American parrenst as in natural born American.
Paterson would be a lib but it appears in takes a blind man to transcend race. He picked a white woman, pro-NRA and anti bailout woman for Hillary’s seat. Yeah she is a Dem and probably Lib but probably less of a sell out than Juan McCain or Miss Lindsay Graham-nesty.
Mlo responded: What is your proof for this claim?
Mlo, you might want to take a reading comprehension course so you would be able to understand the difference between a claim and a supposition. There is one claim in Danae's remarks and that is that you can have a birth certified in Hawaii without being born there. It is done all the time, and in fact Bozo's sister has a certification of live birth from Hawaii but was born in Indonesia. This is known.
The rest of Danae's comment was supposition and no claims were made so no proof required.
Just keep sending cases up to SCOTUS with AMERICAN citizens in the military who are risking their lives to defend the Constitution. Let SCOTUS tell them they have NO standing.
Send em up once a week. Once the members of the military find out, and they will, they will know they are being PLAYED and conned.
The public has zero faith in the financial system due to corruption with much of that coming from Congress - mandates to lend to people who cannot repay etc etc.
If the public and the military have no faith in the Constitution because we are all SERFS with no standing then there is no faith in the system. Thinks then start to fall apart just like the financial system.
Barrack “no white male construction workers” Obama has stirred upa hornet’s nest. Some judge is going to get tired of telling members of the military that they have NO standing or the military is going to get sick of being told they are SERFS.
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