Posted on 01/23/2009 12:08:54 PM PST by Corazon
I like Robert Spencer and it does concern me that an attorney who acted against him was part of Obama's legal team in another case.
Just remember for anything to go to SCOTUS there is merit.
I'm not sure that is always true. I think the Supreme Court gets to decide if there is merit or not.
Or maybe you just hate America like Obama and Michelle? You think the people are the problem? Or is it capitalism that bothers you because you don't want to work and you want some of the money handed to you?
As for freepers being self appointed experts, if that means they do not take Obama's books and website for truth, but they do their own research, then yeah, they are experts. Over and above anything you have posted they are scholars.
At this point I would like to point out that I have been reading and posting on FR for almost six years and you are a newbie who has only been here one month (assuming you were not previously banned).
I know how you got your user name however.
No you don't.
By the way you sound like you need to lighten up on the coffee.
You have nothing to add that is factual except Obama fairy tales, so I drink too much coffee, may have been banned before? Sorry neither. I work, have a family and volunteer in my spare time, that may be a concept you don't understand.
Robert Spencer was the attorney for Hamas. It was not just another case. Just like Obama's Eric who says there is no International description of what a terrorist is so he wanted his terrorist clients case dismissed.
I didn't look to see how long you have been on freepers posting propaganda. But thanks for that information.
You have a nice day and do drink some coffee if that is what is missing.
However, since it is apparent that he do not trust the information posted in the TD Blog, I will post another source that states that in 1961 the birth announcements in the Hawaii newspapers came directly from the Vital Statistics Office.
Here is what the Hawaii Advertiser wrote regarding the Birth Announcement Issue on 11/9/2008.
She said someone posted the address on the Internet. That July posting contained a photocopy of what is most likely the first mention of Barack Obama ever published — a tiny, one-line birth notice in the Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961, edition of The Honolulu Advertiser:
"Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Highway, son, Aug. 4." The exact same notice appeared the following day in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin. The numerous birth announcements above and below the Obama listing also were identical in both papers, which were unaffiliated, competing publications.
Advertiser columnist and former Star-Bulletin managing editor Dave Shapiro was not at either paper in 1961, but he remembers how the birth notices process worked years later when both papers were jointly operated by the Hawaii Newspaper Agency — which no longer exists.
"Those were listings that came over from the state Department of Health," he said. "They would send the same thing to both papers."
http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20081109/NEWS01/811090361/-1/specialobama08
Only when he can't get the Republican nomination for anything. And he's certainly affiliated with the right.
Berg is a democrat.
Berg is a conspiracy nut who is milking this for all it's worth. I wonder how much he's collected in donations via his Paypal link.
I will tell you why the DNC is silent.
I'm more interested in hearing you try to explain why everyone with any real crediblity on the right is silent. Where's Rush? Where are the political leadership? Are they in on the conspiracy, too?
Come on Truman. Put yourself in Obama's place. He wanted to be president so badly for so long. He says he wants bipartisan support. He has no friends or acquaintances that have clean backgrounds. Obama is caught up like a bandit in corruption and deals and money handouts to radicals and slum lords. This one small item if Obama was telling the truth can be cleared up so easily. 48 million or more would have to accept Obama won and is eligible until the FEC goes into his finances or Rezko spills. It makes no sense at all if it is so innocent as you and other Obama supporters want everyone to believe.
"Those were listings that came over from the state Department of Health," he said. "They would send the same thing to both papers."
What about a late birth certificate? Why would that not also be sent to the newspapers by the dept of health? It's a baby that has been given a record of birth based on the parents report. Just not natural born citizenship.
Baby's first home Fringe theorists who insist Obama was born in Kenya are left to ponder how two independent Honolulu daily newspapers and the state Department of Health could be part of conspiracy half a century ago to thwart the truth about the future president of the United States. I have never heard anyone say this but it is typical of liberals to insult people asking for Obama to come clean as fringe. What people are saying is the information Obama wants everyone to believe and has sealed off is full of holes like the Titanic.
It's feasible the couple occupied the back cottage at 6085 Kalaniana'ole. Public records from the time show that Barack H. Obama, 25, also had a residence at 625 11th Ave. in Kaimuki. Gee, no money and two different residences. Thanks Truman.
Not exactly. Robert Spencer runs the jihadwatch.org website.
And while his policies and his associates may be objectionable, they do not disqualify him from the office.
I am saying to you that a late birth certificate would be sent in the same way from vital statistics as a hospital birth once it is registered. A baby is a baby whether born in the hospital or Kenya to Hawaii at the time. They just are not given citizenship.
The articles never give all the information and you Obama supporters thrive on that when you finally find a morsel to discredit everyone only asking Obama to tell the truth. Most people can think through it and find the missing pieces.
And the majority of people who love America and also admit Obama's policies and associates are bad would not have voted or support him as you are. But actually, his radical buddies will probably take him down before anyone else will. Having a terrorist or radical background should disqualify anyone from being POTUS. But you like that part huh?
You would then need to find evidence, documentation or proof that Mama Obama gave birth in Kenya, and then within a week flew to the States, sneaked Baby Obama through Immigration in Europe as well as the United States and then made her way to Hawaii where she applied for a birth certificate for her newborn.
And when her son entered that school in Indonesia that she falsely stated his place of birth to be Honolulu while stating that his religion was Islam.
First, it's not just the right (ex, Berg & much of his staff). Second, in that case...why post anything at all, like a questionable short form? Also, why would he co-sponsor two non-binding pieces of legislation that attempted to define NBC (re: McCain)?
Furthermore, didn't he run on a campaign of transparency and a new kind of non-partisanship?
He didn't release a copy of his vault 'long form' COLB because that original will show he was born in Kenya.
Obama could virtually be hiding that he was born in Hawaii but neither parent is a American citizen? That would be on the long form. Or he was adopted and his birth certificate shows the amendment. This is also why a BC would be sealed if he was adopted."
Good points. Hadn't thought about this in those terms.
MEMORANDUM FOR THE HEADS OF EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIESSUBJECT:
Transparency and Open Government My Administration is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in Government.
He should start with himself. Simply release not only a copy of his original vault bc, but also his college records to show he wasn't admitted as nor received financial aid as a foreign student (i.e. Indonesian).
No other reason to keep those items ultra-super secret.
Berg is an conspiracy opportunist who has come up with a new angle that you can contribute to via his convenient Paypal link. I'd love to see him tell how much he's raised on this schtick.
Second, in that case...why post anything at all, like a questionable short form?
Because it lets him simply say, "I did release my birth certificate" and leaves the other side trying to explain the distinctions between a certificate and a certification, long and short form Hawaii birth certificates and a bunch more.
Seriously, the birthers need to come up with some actual documentation on your own, other than an Indonesian school ledger from 1967 and an ambiguous interview with an old woman in an African village and this might go somewhere. How many times has that been promised and failed to appear? (Hey, where is Editor Korir these days?)
He didn't release a copy of his vault 'long form' COLB because that original will show he was born in Kenya.
And what's your evidence for saying that? The interview with his Kenyan step-grandmother? Have you actually read the affidavits that story's based on? Berg has them. Problematic to say the least.
Are you saying that the short form, the authenticity of which has been confirmed by Hawaiian officials, is wrong where it says "CITY, TOWN OR LOCATION OF BIRTH: HONOLULU"?
YOUR man Obama is the one who must show he was natural born. Whether you like that or not is not something I care about. The Constitution must be upheld and no one is backing off because you posted some information on TD's website.
Actually, I did not only post a blogger, but also a statement from the Honolulu Advertiser, the paper that printed the birth announcement in 1961.
BTW-I did not make up the fact that the Obama birth announcement was published in 1961, nor did I make up the fact that the newspaper in question stated that their birth announcement data came from the state office. And I did not make up the fact that Obama’s school enrollment form stated that he was a Muslim and was born in Honolulu.
Get this right, the paper did not say it, some guy said he remembered how it was done in order to discredit what was being said about Obama being born in Kenya. And he never said that late birth certificates were handled any different. You have to read between the lines with all of these people just like with the Hawaii records people wh never said Obama was born in Hawaii. They just said they have a bc on file and it is sealed.
And I don't think Ann would have any problem bringing Obama back into Hawaii if she gave birth in Kenya. She would simply say she had given birth while away and was a American citizen who left on a round trip air fare. American citizens are allowed to give birth in other countries. The problem is we do not know Ann was a American citizen either. Unless Obama were to show Ann's BC, Obama could have two foreign parents. But since he won't show hers or his, then we investigate until someone spills the beans or he is forced.
The Muslim School in Indonesia had nuns? That is odd.
Which could be what his BC reads, Barry or Barack Soetoro.
Yes, his BC could read Barry Soetoto or Mickey Mouse but there is no evidence of either and I doubt that the Justices on the SCOTUS like to hear the word "Could" during arguments.
Get this right, the paper did not say it, some guy said he remembered how it was done in order to discredit what was being said about Obama being born in Kenya.
Well then, find someone that remembers that the data for the birth announcements was done differently and see if they can explain why two different newspapers had the birth announcements in the exact same order.
And I don't think Ann would have any problem bringing Obama back into Hawaii if she gave birth in Kenya.
I am not much younger than Obama and was born overseas to American parents. Following my birth I was issued a birth certificate from the U.S. Embassy and without that document, my mom and dad could not have gotten me into the States.
The problem is we do not know Ann was a American citizen either.
That's funny.
"A New York woman quoted as saying she "remembers" the birth of Barack Obama and who was hailed as independent evidence of the president's eligibility to occupy the Oval office has told WND that's not exactly how things happened. "
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"However, Nelson told WND today, "I don't know in what capacity [West] knew about this particular birth."
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"However, she said the assumption that West delivered the baby, or that she said that, were just wrong."
Looks like the "story" is being corrected.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87233
HONOLULU PREPARES • Dr. Rodney West
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An Amazing Life
Rodney T. West, MD, was born December 23, 1910, in Wailuku, Maui in the, then, Territory of Hawaii. He attended Honolulu Military Academy, graduated from Punahou School and then Northwestern University’s undergraduate and medical schools in Chicago, Illinois. In 1934, he returned to the Islands with his wife Mary Ann Carlisle of Vienna, Georgia, to complete internship and residency at Honolulu’s Queen’s Hospital. On November 1,1935, he joined Dr. R. W. Benz’s general medical practice in one of the small houses on the property now occupied by the State Of Hawaii’s Capitol Building, During football seasons, he volunteered as team doctor for Punahou School, and by the summer of 1939 he had fathered his first two children, a daughter and a son.
In January of 1941, believing that war was inevitable and imminent, he joined the U.S. Naval Reserve. Because he was not called into active duty until September 5, 1941, he became seriously involved in what was at first called “disaster preparations,” preparations that were, in the following year and a half, to be become extensive and unparalleled in U.S. history. During that interim, Dr. West worked in cooperation with the Hawaii Chapter of the American Red Cross, the Honolulu County Medical Society, the City and County Emergency Unit and the Queen’s Hospital, to assist in setting up a program that would see O`ahu prepared.
On December 7th, 1941, during the second wave of strafing and bombing by Japanese planes, he crossed the channel in an open whaleboat to report to duty at the Ford Island Dispensary. There he attended to hundreds of burned victims, and remained at the dispensary until Thursday, at which time he was finallly able to return to his Manoa home.
Following his tour of duty at Pearl Harbor, Dr. West served on Johnston Island in the Pacific, at Oahu’s Kaneohe Naval Air Station, (now KMCS), at Pensacola, Florida’s NAS where he received flight surgeon training, and at Key West, Florida’s NAS as chief medical officer. There his third child, a son, was born. After VJ Day, he returned to the NAS in Honolulu to receive his full commander’s rating and honorable discharge from active duty. He continued to serve in the Naval Reserves until September of 1949.
After his return to the Islands, Dr. West spent doctors who had not had a vacation for the duration of the war, and served on the Big Island as plantation doctor at Ola`a Sugar Plantation (Kea`au). In June of 1949 he was asked to join the Obstetrics and Gynecology Department of The Clinic (now Straub Clinic & Hospital), and returned to Honolulu practice. Over the years, he delivered more than 5000 babies, usually at Kapi`olani Maternity Hospital, personallly chronicling their vital statistics in bound ledgers. Nearing the end of his practice, Dr. West took on the role of medical director, Straub Clinic’s first, before retiring at 65 years of age in December of 1975.
Throughout his lifetime, Dr. West served the medical community in many other ways: as Kapi`olani Hospital’s Chief of Staff for a number of years, as president of the Hawaii Medical Association in 1963, as liaison for the annual Pan Pacific Surgical conferences in Honolulu and finally in the founding of The American College of Physician Executives, becoming its first president. Today this organization has over 15,000 members.
Dr. West was also active in community affairs. In the 50’s He was an active Kiwanian. In 1968, he joined The Rotary Club of Honolulu, believing strongly in Rotary International goal to advance world health and planetary peace. In May 2001 he was honored as one of the club’s “living treasures.” Over the years, Dr. West played a key role on many boards, including the Better Business Bureau, the Cancer Research Center of Hawaii, the Salvation Army, and the Unity Church of Hawaii.
http://honoluluprepares.com/author.html
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