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Mexican collapse?
Washington Times ^ | Jan. 22, 2009 | Traci Carl

Posted on 01/24/2009 9:07:58 AM PST by AuntB

Indiscriminate kidnappings. Nearly daily beheadings. Gangs that mock and kill government agents.

This isn't Iraq or Pakistan. It's Mexico, which the U.S. government and a growing number of experts say is becoming one of the world's biggest security risks.

The prospect that America's southern neighbor could melt into lawlessness provides an unexpected challenge to President Obama's government. In its latest report anticipating possible global security risks, the U.S. Joint Forces Command lumps Mexico and Pakistan together as being at risk of a "rapid and sudden collapse."

"The Mexican possibility may seem less likely, but the government, its politicians, police and judicial infrastructure are all under sustained assault and pressure by criminal gangs and drug cartels," the command said in the report, published Nov. 25.

Retiring CIA chief Michael V. Hayden told reporters Friday that Mexico could rank alongside Iran as a challenge for Mr. Obama - perhaps a greater problem than Iraq.

The Justice Department said last month that Mexican gangs are the "biggest organized crime threat to the United States." Outgoing National Security Adviser Stephen J. Hadley said last week that the worsening violence threatens Mexico's democratic form of government.

The alarm is spreading to the private sector as well. Mexico - Latin America's second-biggest economy and the United States' third-biggest oil supplier - is one of the top 10 global risks for 2009 identified by the Eurasia Group, a New York-based consulting firm.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Mexico
KEYWORDS: 2009; aliens; bho2009; immigrantlist; immigration; mexico; nau; northamericanunion; spp; warnextdoor
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This article was forwarded by Mike Cutler. His comments (below) are worth the read.

Hi Gang:

Any good driver knows that safety depends on scanning the road ahead as he drives his vehicle. It is important to look as far down the road as possible to see threats that may be developing in the distance, but it is also important to not lose sight of what the car immediately in front of you is doing as well.

The previous administration was certainly fixated on focusing on threats around the world but seemed to be oblivious to a growing threat that sits on our nation's southern border. Mexico is not unlike that car that is immediately in front of you. Ignoring that immediate threat negates whatever attention might be paid to threats on the other side of the globe.

In fact, the degrading situation in Mexico may well impact the situation to be found in the Middle East. Narcotics flooding across our nation's border originate in many countries and some of those drugs may well have been sent to Mexico to have them moved into the United States by drug organizations headquartered in Afghanistan and other such countries.

As I have noted on many occasions, it was absolutely incomprehensible that while our country detailed United States Border Patrol agents to Iraq to secure that nation against the influx of insurgents and terrorists that our own border was left as porous as the proverbial sieve!

The news report I have attached below appeared this past Thursday in the Washington Times and is of great importance.

I have often discussed the deteriorating situation in Mexico but I believe that it is important to review some of the points I have previously made, especially as Mexico appears poised on the precipice of disintegration and our nation's economy continues to demonstrate a worrying crisis in solvency.

The drug cartels that are operating in Mexico required vast quantities of cash in order to wield the sort of clout that they now possess. Much of the money being used to destabilize the Mexican government has been furnished over the past decade, or more, by the proceeds relating to the drug trade in the United States.

Former President Bush, in ignoring the crisis on our nation's border with Mexico, facilitated the movement of huge quantities of narcotics into the United States while the proceeds of the trafficking activities headed south, filling the coffers of the cartels.

We have, in effect, a collision between these two countries with the citizens of both nation's being made to pay for the desires of politicians and various special interest groups who wanted to open our nation's borders in the name of "free trade."

I urge you to be very careful anytime you hear the word "free." As the saying goes, "There is no such thing as a free lunch!"

The various trade agreements such as NAFTA and CAFTA provided lots of money to those huge companies that pushed those "free" trade agreements. That was, for them, the "good news."

Just remember, whenever there is a winner, there is generally a loser! The loser where those treaties and trade agreements were concerned, was the economic hardship that these agreements created for the farmers of Mexico. Many farmers lost their land and headed north, across our nation's border.

The government of Mexico and other countries were delighted to wave goodbye to their citizens who sought to run our nation's border and secure menial employment in the United States. Those foreign workers that are believed to represent some 10 percent of the population of Mexico and other countries such as Guatemala and El Salvador as well as others, are a population that is no longer the responsibility of their countries of origin. Furthermore, these people send every last penny they earned, back home to their native countries, enriching the economies of those countries.

The government of Mexico, in fact, provided its citizens with "training manuals" that were written like comic books to instruct their citizens on the ways in which they could run our borders successfully and evade the United States Border Patrol and survive the extreme conditions to be found in the deserts along the way. In fact, there were health stations established near the border to make certain that their citizens were physically up to the dangerous trek!

More recently, the government of Mexico went "high tech" and distributed videos instead of comic books to provide the necessary training. (I don't know if the current administration of Mexico is continuing this practice, but is was certainly the way that the previous president of Mexico aided, abetted and encouraged his citizens to ignore the border that is supposed to separate our two nations.

As more and more money poured across the Mexican border, the drug cartels were able to make all sorts of critical purchases. They bought guns, they bought vehicles and then they bought politicians and members of the police and military. Our government trained members of the Mexican police and military to create a "partnership." Tragically, many of these police officers and military officers went over to the "dark side." These were the so-called "Zetas."

Armed with our playbook and virtually unlimited resources, they offered their services to the cartels and now are attempting to take over the cartels!

These well trained and heavily armed gang members employ tactics that are virtually indistinguishable from the tactics used by terrorist organizations. Beheadings are common in many Mexican cities and high-ranking police and military officials are often the target of these violent traffickers. Mexican prosecutors are similarly targeted.

Meanwhile, we are assured that the illegal aliens who run our borders are simply coming to do the "Work Americans won't do!"

I have appeared on numerous television programs over the past several years to debate the issue of immigration and border security. I cannot tell you how often I have heard some character blithely state that "Mexicans aren't terrorists!" Of course many illegal aliens from Mexico aren't terrorists or even involved with the drug trade, although many times smugglers use the illegal aliens they assist in running our borders as beasts of burden, forcing them to carry narcotics on their person. This is why such illegal aliens are referred to as "mules."

The problem is that it is impossible to look at a person and know with absolute certainty what the nationality of that person is. I speak from experience, having worked for the former INS for some 30 years. Is a person with a dark complexion who speaks Spanish a citizen of Mexico, Guatemala, Colombia, Bolivia or Uruguay?

Might a person with a dark complexion who speaks Spanish possibly be a citizen of Iran, Iraq or Yemen who spent years in Latin America to acquire excellent language skills so that he can then embed himself in our nation in support of a terrorist operation in the future? Such is the way that so-called "sleepers" would operate.

Additionally, it is important to remember that not all Mexicans are Hispanic, just as not all Americans are white or black or Hispanic.

In order to move their cargo of drugs and illegal aliens, smugglers working for the cartels are intent on gaining control over our border. By controlling our border they can move people and contraband virtually at will. Smugglers will move any cargo, human, narcotic or weapons for a price. Smuggling organization use other gangs as enforcers. Gangs such as MS-13 often assist in the movement of contraband across our nation's border and then the move themselves across our nation to assist with the distribution of drugs and the movement of the proceeds of the drug trade.

MS-13 members can be found in many major cities from coast to coast. They have spread clear across our country not unlike a malignant tumor that has metastasized, threatening the lives of decent people throughout our nation. No one is immune from the extreme violence that these gang members use to intimidate competitors and those who might get in their way but often, it is members of their own community who are most likely to fall victim to their violence. Yet, incredibly, the groups that allege to be concerned about the rights of "immigrants" will never address this issue, nor will those groups address the issue of how terribly illegal aliens are treated in our country.

It is interesting that the news article ends with the statement:

The grim assessments from north of the border got wide play in the Mexican media but came as no surprise to people here. Many said the solution lies in getting the United States to give more help and let in more migrant workers who otherwise might turn to the drug trade to make a living.

Given the opportunity to flee the madness of Mexico, is there really a limit as to how many Mexicans would want to come to the United States? Can our nation absorb millions more without going bankrupt even more quickly than we are now?

The last thing our nation needs is to permit the entry of still more foreign workers!

When we take an airplane flight the flight attendants always advise us that if the oxygen masks are deployed that we should put the mask on first before we attempt to help a child or someone who requires assistance. In order for the United States to help Mexico or any other country, it must, itself be strong. The massive influx of illegal aliens threatens our nation's security and impacts everything from criminal justice to the economy, the environment, health care and education. This crisis concerning illegal immigration must be addressed swiftly and effectively!

Here is something else I would like you to consider:

The financial crisis our nation finds itself in now appears to have started with the infamous "sub-prime" mortgages. I have read various estimates about how many of those mortgages were given to illegal aliens who had no reliable way of identifying themselves. I have seen some estimates that peg that number of illegal aliens who received those mortgages in the range of more than one million individuals! I would love to know what the total number really is!

The Bank of America which led the charge to accept the Matricula Consular cards issued by the government of Mexico, is one of the banks in deepest trouble and has already gone back to the trough for more bailout money. They provided money to people who could not provide positive proof of their identities. If you cannot prove your identity, how in blazes could any bank or other financial institution assess your credit worthiness?

It actually gets worse! The Bank of America and other lending institutions provided illegal aliens with credit cards! God knows how many illegal aliens using stolen identities, or simply bogus identities, ran up large balances that they have no ability or intention of repaying!

It would not surprise me to find out that criminal or terrorist organizations might have also availed themselves the opportunity to dip into the "till." Criminal and terrorist organization need lots of cash to carry out their objectives. They often commit all sorts of crimes to get their hands on the cash. As an INS special agent I have seen, first hand, how such criminal and terrorist organizations sell narcotics, commit arson (often injuring and killing innocent people), dabble in mail fraud, carry out armed robberies, run brothels, traffic in firearms and commit all sorts of other crimes.

Here is the Change We the People Can Believe In:

Secure our nation's borders. Create an immigration system that possesses real integrity. And never forget that the difference between an immigrant and an illegal aliens is equivalent to the difference between a houseguest and a burglar!

We the People must make it clear to our elected representatives that we want our nation's borders secured and that we want the entire immigration system to possess real integrity. This would help protect our nation, protect our citizens from criminal and terrorists seeking to enter our country and embed themselves in communities across our nation and invigorate our nation's faltering economy,

Good citizenship does not end at the voting booth but it simply begins there. In order for our representative democracy to represent us, we need to communicate with our elected representatives to let them know in clear and unequivocal terms what we want.

I implore you to get involved!

We live in a perilous world and in a perilous era. The survival of our nation and the lives of our citizens hang in the balance

This is neither a Conservative issue, nor is it a Liberal issue- simply stated, this is most certainly an AMERICAN issue!

You are either part of the solution or you are a part of the problem!

Democracy is not a spectator sport!

Lead, follow or get out of the way!

-michael cutler-

1 posted on 01/24/2009 9:08:00 AM PST by AuntB
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To: AuntB

Cue the “legalize drugs, take the profit out, end the WOD” crowd in 5...4...3...2...


2 posted on 01/24/2009 9:13:02 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Arrowhead1952; Kimberly GG; gubamyster; SwinneySwitch; MeekOneGOP; whatisthetruth; PGalt; ...

“Retiring CIA chief Michael V. Hayden told reporters Friday that Mexico could rank alongside Iran as a challenge for Mr. Obama - perhaps a greater problem than Iraq.”


3 posted on 01/24/2009 9:13:24 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: AuntB

Possible scenario: Mexico collapses, Obama offers to bail-out and/or absorb Mexico, and then we collapse...


4 posted on 01/24/2009 9:18:22 AM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: AuntB
I agree with the premise and most of the substance of his arguments, but ststements liek the following diminish his argument and allows his critics to dismiss him as an alarmist:

Furthermore, these people send every last penny they earned, back home to their native countries

5 posted on 01/24/2009 9:25:05 AM PST by jimmyray
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To: AuntB

“Given the opportunity to flee the madness of Mexico, is there really a limit as to how many Mexicans would want to come to the United States?”


6 posted on 01/24/2009 9:26:10 AM PST by combat_boots ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."Aldous Huxley)
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To: AuntB

In an era of unprecendented economic, social and international crises, we get the rank amateur Barak Obama. I sure hope that God has a plan, cause this is nuts.


7 posted on 01/24/2009 9:29:08 AM PST by steel_resolve (We are living in the post-rational world where being a moron is an asset)
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To: DTogo

If we collapse, the country would probably split into several parts. One of the parts would pursue healthy policies and would recover and become strong again fairly quickly. The other parts would flounder about as they would not know how to grow economically. After their collapse, Mexico would split, have a long civil war and remain an absolute basket case for decades.


8 posted on 01/24/2009 9:29:41 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: AuntB

A modest proposal for Mexico, that would definitely get their attention.

Clean up this problem *now*, or the US may direct our Special Operations Command (SOCOM), to go on an extended raid and destroy mission against the Mexican drug cartels.

Mexico does not have a death penalty. The US does. And boy howdy, does SOCOM. If that organization is deployed, the streets of Mexico will be littered with drug gangsters, Mexican mafia, and any other organization, like MS-13, that wants to play.


9 posted on 01/24/2009 9:30:54 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: combat_boots
Given the opportunity to flee the madness of Mexico, is there really a limit as to how many Mexicans would want to come to the United States?”

Not more than about 93,000,000.

10 posted on 01/24/2009 9:31:56 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: AuntB

You’re not really suggesting any connection between the situation down south and “leisure drug usage in Washington” are you?

Everything’s cooool, man, don’t sweat it.

And we must keep teaching in our schools that Mexico is just like us, only cultural differences and our Founders were mistaken when they thought that some kinds of republics made more sense than others. And who needs that old Constitution anyway?


11 posted on 01/24/2009 9:35:07 AM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: DTogo

“Possible scenario: Mexico collapses, Obama offers to bail-out and/or absorb Mexico, and then we collapse...”

Mexico has already collapsed California to a great extent.


12 posted on 01/24/2009 9:36:46 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: flattorney; BGHater; SisterK; ronnyquest; Cvengr; CPT Clay; MNDude; BellStar; bayouranger; ...

Ping!))

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


13 posted on 01/24/2009 9:40:29 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (ObamaNation - beyond your expectations.)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

“After their collapse, Mexico would split, have a long civil war and remain an absolute basket case for decades.”

In other words Mexico wouldn’t change from what it is now and what it has been for decades.


14 posted on 01/24/2009 9:42:52 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: AuntB

I know nothing I can post will convince you otherwise, but Mexico has 32 states. 5 or 6 of which are extreme problems. However, judging the entire country and it’s people in such a negative way is like saying all of the US is wrapped up in Chicago politics, DC crime, SF morality crisis, and LA gangs.

JMHO.


15 posted on 01/24/2009 9:49:24 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: JimRed

Yeah, that and build a real wall NOW.


16 posted on 01/24/2009 9:51:04 AM PST by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Requiescat In Pace)
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To: AuntB

One has to wonder what the Mexican druggies have on the Ex President Bush which prevented him from controlling our southern border between the US and Mexico.

It would also be interesting to look at the drug cases which were actually prosecuted by the Federal Attorneys. I understand that no large shipments of drugs were interdicted or prosecuted. The prosecutions were for small amounts of drugs. Can anyone verify this?


17 posted on 01/24/2009 9:53:06 AM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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To: AuntB; TigerLikesRooster; marsh-mellow
The financial crisis our nation finds itself in now appears to have started with the infamous "sub-prime" mortgages. ..estimates about how many of those mortgages were given to illegal aliens who had no reliable way of identifying themselves... estimates that peg that number of illegal aliens who received those mortgages in the range of more than one million individuals! I would love to know what the total number really is!

The Bank of America which led the charge to accept the Matricula Consular cards issued by the government of Mexico, is one of the banks in deepest trouble and has already gone back to the trough for more bailout money. They provided money to people who could not provide positive proof of their identities. If you cannot prove your identity, how in blazes could any bank or other financial institution assess your credit worthiness?

AuntB - this should be a stand alone post...

18 posted on 01/24/2009 10:01:34 AM PST by GOPJ (Bad & corrupt business decisions get bailed-out. Why should I play by the rules?FRpierrem15)
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To: AuntB; All

Like sheeple, we follow the lead, and all points in this direction...I’ll bet that...not only will we continue to follow the CFR/Pastor game plan, but, as the economy worsens and the pot slowly comes to a boil, ignorant Americans will be begging for a NAU solution. They WILL choose a North American Union over our sovereignty and security. It’s all in there.

Dr. Robert A. Pastor
Vice President of International Affairs,
Professor, and Director of the
Center for North American Studies
American University
Washington, D.C.
Testimony Invited by the
Subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere
U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee
June 9, 2005
A North American Community Approach to Security
http://foreign.senate.gov/testimony/2005/PastorTestimony050609.pdf


19 posted on 01/24/2009 10:15:09 AM PST by Kimberly GG (Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda been HUNTER.)
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To: xcamel

“I know nothing I can post will convince you otherwise, but Mexico has 32 states. 5 or 6 of which are extreme problems. However, judging the entire country and it’s people in such a negative way is like saying all of the US is wrapped up in Chicago politics, DC crime, SF morality crisis, and LA gangs.”

You KNOW nothing. The good people of Mexico deserve better than their leaders and our government would allow. Yes, a few ‘states’...mostly on OUR border are falling apart. Mexicans deserve to live in their country. They need the second Amendment.


20 posted on 01/24/2009 10:18:12 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: AuntB; txflake; basil

I think hussein and the dims want to make Mexico another state.


21 posted on 01/24/2009 10:45:53 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dissent is patriotic - Hussein is not and will never be my president.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

“I think hussein and the dims want to make Mexico another state.”

I think hussein, the dims and TOO many republicans want to make the USA another Mexico.


22 posted on 01/24/2009 10:50:29 AM PST by AuntB (The right to vote in America: Blacks 1870; Women 1920; Native Americans 1925; Foreigners 2008)
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To: Arrowhead1952; AuntB

Here’s a good clue.

Trilateralist/CFR Z. Brzezinski discovers Obama at Columbia U.

Obama admin. is advised by Trilat/CFR Z. Brzezinski and Trilat/CFR P. Volker.

Trilat/CFR Robert Pastor (supporter of North American Union) is undoubtedly in the shadows.


23 posted on 01/24/2009 11:09:15 AM PST by wolfcreek (There is no 2 party system only arrogant Pols and their handlers)
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To: AuntB

laying out the case for a takeover. there is scarcely one place left of Spanish colonial heritage that hasn’t been taken over by the US. Mexico will be no different.


24 posted on 01/24/2009 11:17:45 AM PST by kinghorse
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To: jimmyray
A while back I heard the estimate that of the top three sources of income for Mexico (Tourism, oil, remittances), the second highest was remittances from Mexicans living in the United States. If they're not sending "every last penny" back, it's still a heck of a lot.
25 posted on 01/24/2009 11:55:16 AM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: AuntB

I’ve read several different stories on this situation in the last month or so.

Has the situation all-of-a-sudden gotten noticeably worse, or is it just the new “story du jour” that all the urinalists have to write one story about?


26 posted on 01/24/2009 12:47:16 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: combat_boots
“Given the opportunity to flee the madness of Mexico, is there really a limit as to how many Mexicans would want to come to the United States?”

You have struck upon the gem of a brilliant idea. We let all the Mexicans come north, which suits the liberals to a "T", as it gives them an endless supply of victims and welfare cases to vote them into absolute power forever.

We conservatives move south and take over Mexico, establishing our Grand Republic again. We build a GIANT heavily armored border wall to keep the libs out, tweak the good old American Constitution to absolutely preclude socialism in any form, reinforce the Second Amendment to preclude anyone from ever even considering taking our guns, and presto!!!

We live in peace, freedom and happiness again. And the climate is better, if you can stand the heat. Then we'll see once and for all, in a "laboratory setting", which system is the most effective - capitalist or Socialist.

27 posted on 01/24/2009 1:11:53 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The Fairness Doctrine isn't about "Fairness" - it's about Doctrine.)
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To: JimRed
Cue the “legalize drugs, take the profit out, end the WOD” crowd in 5...4...3...2...

And what is your suggestion? Actually there are only two solutions the first being quick and certain death for those that smuggle drugs. It worked in Singapore but given our legal structure in the United States it would not be swift or certain. Thus it WILL NOT WORK HERE.

The second solution is legalization. The drugs of abuse are actually very cheap to grow and or make. I really do not care if a druggie kills himself with an overdose. In fact I would be somewhat pleased. At least he will not be trying to rob me or my wife for money and putting my wife's life in danger.

If they want help to get off drugs, give it to them. Few will make that choice. If they do not have the money to buy the drugs, give it to them with a clean needle and high purity. They will eventually and quickly remove themselves from the gene pool.

28 posted on 01/24/2009 1:33:46 PM PST by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: AuntB
"provides an unexpected challenge to President Obama's government."

Why should this be a surprise exactly?

29 posted on 01/24/2009 1:49:04 PM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: Arrowhead1952; AuntB
I think hussein and the dims want to make Mexico another state.

nah...



we make you part of Mexico, gringo, not the other way round...

Learn spanish - bow to your new masters - pay your taxes...

30 posted on 01/24/2009 1:50:54 PM PST by bill1952 (McCain and the GOP were worthless)
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To: cpdiii; JimRed
The second solution is legalization.

LOL! It didn't take him long, did it?
Predictable.

31 posted on 01/24/2009 1:59:40 PM PST by bill1952 (McCain and the GOP were worthless)
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To: xcamel

Which 5 or 6 Mexican states are in trouble, so I can see where they are (N or S Mexico)?


32 posted on 01/24/2009 2:07:56 PM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: Paladin2
All of the northern border states, Distrito Federal (Mexico City), and Quintana Roo

see:http://www.fotw.net/flags/mx(.html

33 posted on 01/24/2009 2:19:38 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: AuntB

Nicely jaded reply from someone who has spent NO time living in Mexico that I know of, and makes it her lifes work to point out every possible disaster-in-waiting related to it. Move to Montana if you hate Mexico so much.


34 posted on 01/24/2009 2:24:02 PM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: JimRed
Cue the “legalize drugs, take the profit out, end the WOD” crowd in 5...4...3...2...

It's tough to argue that the Mexican drug cartels could survive the legalization of drugs in the US.

35 posted on 01/24/2009 2:29:49 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: AuntB

Our Army may have to go “Truckin’ on down to Taco-Town!”


36 posted on 01/24/2009 2:57:47 PM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: xcamel

Those would seem to be the Mexican States with the strongest interaction with the US. Must be W’s fault.


37 posted on 01/24/2009 2:57:47 PM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: Hardastarboard
"We conservatives move south and take over Mexico, establishing our Grand Republic again"

FREE Staters plus Gualt Gulchers.

38 posted on 01/24/2009 3:01:51 PM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: Cindy

Ping.


39 posted on 01/24/2009 3:06:21 PM PST by fanfan
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To: JimRed
Cue the “legalize drugs, take the profit out, end the WOD” crowd in 5...4...3...2...

Right! We can't have that!

After all, look at what happened when alcohol was decriminalized.....organized crime was crippled, the government raised more funds, and free Americans had the choice to drink, or not.

How terrible!

;-)

40 posted on 01/24/2009 3:12:01 PM PST by fanfan
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To: All

One thing that I can’t understand is that this U.S. Joint Forces Command report was released in November 2008 — if this situation is so critical, then why did the press wait TWO MONTHS, to start writing about it?


41 posted on 01/24/2009 3:33:57 PM PST by Bokababe ( http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: bill1952
LOL! It didn't take him long, did it? Predictable.

I offered two solutions both were the extremes and they both work. What we are doing now is not working and will not work. I also asked for your answer to the problem. What is it?

Personally my preference would be execution of the smugglers and sellers with no exceptions. This worked in Singapore that at one time had a terrible problem with drugs. However, the legal profession and the politicians would not allow this to happen here.

I eagerly await your solution.

42 posted on 01/24/2009 4:45:28 PM PST by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: xcamel

“I know nothing I can post will convince you otherwise, but Mexico has 32 states. 5 or 6 of which are extreme problems”

One of my companies owner’s family have been threatened with kidnapping several times in Saltillo(the middle of no where).


43 posted on 01/24/2009 5:06:44 PM PST by doc
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To: Kimberly GG

Good find, Kimberly. Good post.


44 posted on 01/24/2009 5:14:45 PM PST by SisterK (building an underground economy one brick at a time)
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To: doc

So far in my life’s travels I have met two people kidnapped in Mexico and held for ransom. I’ve spoken with both of them at length. The latest is my mercedes salesman. He is a mexican jew, owned a jewelry store in MC and lost everything he owned including his house. His wife sold everything to the tune of $6mil to get him back. Now he sells cars in San Antonio.


45 posted on 01/24/2009 5:22:23 PM PST by gost2
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To: AuntB
The prospect that America's southern neighbor could melt into lawlessness provides an unexpected challenge to President Obama's government.

Not unexpected at all. Anyone who's been watching what's been going on there should have seen if coming for ages.

That's just going to be an excuse for him not dealing with it properly.

46 posted on 01/24/2009 5:41:48 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: AuntB

Mike seems to be a little short sighted in his article by only mentioning President Bush. I distinctly remember some senators speaking at a rally in NY wanting amnesty for all the illegals. The House and Senate made no effort to close the borders as well. The reason for the lack of response?
It is called... V O T E S.

All would rather sale the country down the hole for their power.


47 posted on 01/24/2009 5:43:13 PM PST by ConfidentConservative (I think, therefore I am conservative.)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

“One has to wonder what the Mexican druggies have on the Ex President Bush (and the House and the Senate ) which prevented him from controlling our southern border between the US and Mexico.”

THERE Fixed it! ;)


48 posted on 01/24/2009 5:45:55 PM PST by ConfidentConservative (I think, therefore I am conservative.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

If they simply did that in US cities, we’d see an improvement.

The deportation needs to start now.

Sure, they’ll try to sneak back, but it’ll take time and for a bit, things will be better.


49 posted on 01/24/2009 5:48:48 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: AuntB

Annex Mexico.
Have the Army go in and restore order, and then institute a territorial government.


50 posted on 01/24/2009 5:55:24 PM PST by BuffaloJack
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