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To: Cyropaedia
The overriding issue is that the FOS probably was made aware ( at some point ) of the fact that the sidearms had been discharged. At that point it becomes his responsibility to ask the follow up questions. The FOS writes out all of the reports.

"Probably"? I'm sorry, I don't understand why the two agents didn't step right up and make full reports. This "well, they figured everyone knew already" thing is truly bizarre--you are involved in a shooting and in this day and age of lawsuits you just shrug and decide "Well, I'm sure they'll ask if they have any questions."

Police officers can go through their careers not discharging their guns ever. These two fired on and struck a suspect, and figure they'll just say nothing unless asked?

That doesn't pass muster.

The two agents did not file "false" reports; no report related to the shootings was filed in the first place.

These two didn't feel the need to see if they should, you know, file a report after shooting at someone?

Ramos and Compean have been consistent in their versions of the events involved. Two other agents were fired because they repeatedly changed their version of events to investigators ( in other words, they lied).

If someone could direct me to their versions, I'd appreciate it.

Sutton needed the FOS to successfully prosecute R & C. The supervisor came out of this mess with a promotion. The total number of shots was less than 15, BTW.

What was the total?

16 posted on 01/26/2009 2:08:13 AM PST by Darkwolf377 (Pro-Life Atheist)
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To: Darkwolf377
Again, Ramos testified that he overheard the other agents discussing the gunshots with the supervisor so he believed that the FOS had been been informed. This, he believed that the rquirement had been met. It may not have been right, but I can see how that assumption was made, - under the circumstances. My belief is that the supervisor was lying when he insisted that he was never ever that the sidearms had been discharged. The regulation requires simply an agent inform the FOS that the firearm had been discharged. Again, it doesn't have to be the agent that fired the gun.

Early on in his career, Ramos wrote out a report after discharging his firearm during an incident in the field. He was reprimanded for doing so by his superiors. He was told that he merely had to inform the FOS that his sidearm had been used and the supervisor would take it from there with the follow up questions. And then the supervisor would actually write out the report himself.

Compean emptied his first clip, changed his magazine, but did not fire from from second clip. Ramos fired one shot, the one shot that hit the smuggler. Ramos was not aware of this because the smuggler was still able to escape into Mexico ( on foot ) under his own power.

20 posted on 01/26/2009 3:27:27 AM PST by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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