Posted on 01/26/2009 11:33:04 AM PST by GeronL
DALLAS (CBS) ―
The coach of a Texas high school basketball team that beat another team 100-0 reportedly was fired Sunday, the same day he sent an e-mail to a newspaper stating he will not apologize "for a wide-margin victory when my girls played with honor and integrity" and posted a detailed explanation on a hoops Web site.
The Covenant School girls basketball coach Coach Micah Grimes, along with girls from his team, released a statement on the website of the Flight Basketball Academy.
Kyle Queal, the headmaster for Covenant School, said in The Dallas Morning News online edition that he could not answer if the firing was a direct result of Grimes' e-mail disagreeing with administrators who called the blowout "shameful."
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There is no such thing as "corporate greed". Corporations have no greed, any more than they have bodies or souls.
People are greedy. And people are greedy whether they run a corporation or a convenience store.
It's a cop-out for people to screech and fume over "corporate greed", when it's really the culmination of individual greed, usually including themselves.
Since you can’t read the post or comprehend its contents, there’s no need to continue any discussion.
So, 50-0 is okay? That's really all I wanted to know. It's handy to have a rule of thumb like this when one's job is on the line.
So you say.
But some of us would blame the liberal establishment for having encouraged people to buy homes who couldn't really afford them by insisting that "fairness" dictates that virtually anybody should be able to get a loan.
If those who are defaulting on their loans had been forced to deal with a lending system uninfected by liberal "do-goodism", do you think the real estate bubble could have existed?
And what does the "bailout" accomplish? It rewards incompetence by sending government funds to lending institutions that didn't have the sense to properly value their portfolios. I guess it is only "fair" as we wouldn't want them to lose a lot of money, would we?
Nice opus you wrote there.
Who or what is determining the point of when a winning side won too big. Would 50 pts be OK? Does the point spread need to be smaller? how small? does this change with each game?
So was the win itself OK?
A strategy in fencing is cat and mouse. Some call it physical chess.
You call it “humiliating”. I call it strategy and winning. Winning quick is good. Jumping out ahead in points early on in the game is good. It is called strategy.
Here is something my son brought up to me last night about this topic.
What if some of these players have higher ambitions and playing basketball is what will help them achieve it.
What if getting higher, better individual stats would help on a college application?
What if getting higher, better stats would help get on a college team they hope to be on.?
What if getting higher, better stats would help get a scholarship so they could afford to go to school?
Please stop looking at what this might have done to the losing side for a moment, and see what winning this game might have meant for the winners.
Records might have been broken.
Dreams might now have a better chance of being fulfilled.
Maybe one of the winners went to sleep with a smile on their face, feeling good that their hard work is paying off.
Olympians try to win medals. They also try to break records. These are goals for athletes. I applaud the achievement.
Summary of my opinion:
Winning is good. Losing sometimes hurts. If after losing, it is worth it to you, you practice more, try harder, and maybe next time you will win. Which would be good.
Good is good. Losing helps you learn how to win. Then the win feels even better.
Sweet tastes sweeter if you have also tasted the bitter.
I will now stop rewriting my opinion of sports and winning. I respectfully disagree with you.
No I can comprehend just about everything. I just don’t have the time to debate a person devoid of logic.
Not only that, your "logic" was shut out, 100-zip by another post.
How does it feel to be humiliated?
Ahh well, that's life. Maybe next time you'll work harder at it.
High School basketball in our area has 4 quarters. (It’d be really confusing if there were 3 quarters, wouldn’t there?:>)
In any case, I’ll not relent on the culpability of the other team. It is more consistent with a socialist society to send competitors into a game with the admonition “Don’t try.”
The game never should have been scheduled in the first place.
Also, the losing coach should have pulled his team and forfeited the game. What exactly was the lesson he was teaching by hanging on ‘til the bitter end? “When something doesn’t make sense and isn’t working, I want you to hang in there girls. Keep beating your head against the wall.”
The winning coach should have been fired, but the more I think about it, the losing coach should be reprimanded.
The margin would depend on the game being played and how it is scored, wouldn't it?
In tennis, a 40-love score is nothing, isn't it?
In girl's basket ball, a 50 point margin is almost unheard of isn't it?
Are you purposely trying to be obtuse?
Can you really say that you are totally clueless about what constitutes OBVIOUS DELIBERATE HUMILIATION?
A strategy in fencing is cat and mouse. Some call it physical chess.
Again, purposely being obtuse?
In my hypothetical, your son had a point scored on him every 3 seconds of action and he was purposely defeated in 45 seconds of action in the ENTIRE match because the other player purposely wanted to demonstrate to everybody what a loser your son was in fencing.
WTF does that have to do with "physical chess".
You call it “humiliating”. I call it strategy and winning. Winning quick is good.
That "quick"? Really? When the entire point is to win 15 times as quickly as humanly possible just to show the crowd what a pathetic piece of crap your son is in fencing?
What if some of these players have higher ambitions and playing basketball is what will help them achieve it. What if getting higher, better individual stats would help on a college application? What if getting higher, better stats would help get on a college team they hope to be on.? What if getting higher, better stats would help get a scholarship so they could afford to go to school? No.
What has been taught to these girls is that humiliating others is "good"?
You know what that gets you in the Real World?
In the military, it gets the officer "fragged".
In a college application, the newspaper article about this game gets your application rejected for lack of character.
In business, it gets your competitors in your office to get the long knives out for you and to sabotage you at every turn.
In life, it loses your friends and it soils your reputation.
Honor and Sportsmanship are concepts that a man either "gets" or doesn't "get".
You don't "get" it.
Please stop looking at what this might have done to the losing side for a moment, and see what winning this game might have meant for the winners.
"Look at us! We humiliated handicapped kids by 100 points!!! Aren't we cool!!!"
It is the same as the 150 pound school yard bully that prides himself in beating up his 80 pound classmate.
What this game meant to the winners is that it earned them scorn and contempt across the country and even the shame of their own parents.
If you can’t handle defeat, don’t participate in sports. Come to think of it, you probably won’t be all that happy in life, either.
Obtuse? Please....go look up the word before using it.
You are reaching and grabbing random arguments to prove your opinion. I won't answer each of the pointless questions you asked me. You already know my answers.
Real World? Here's the real world..
My son wins about 80% of his bouts. Many of these by a pretty big margin. Oh and he tries to do this as fast as possible. (purely for the selfish reason of having more rest time between opponents)
Real world....many college coaches are begging my son to attend their school. Be on their team.
And since you brought up the military, this includes the coach of the Air Force Academy. They don't see this as bad behavior either.
Ask yourself why the Air Force Academy highly recruits gifted athletes. And by that I mean smart, honorable, winning athletes.
You can use the words “OBVIOUS HUMILIATION” all you want. It does not make it so.
I pray that your absurd opinion of sports and winning is confined to a very small percentage of Americans.
If the majority of America thinks like you, we are doomed.
No excellence would ever be achieved.
I'm sorry you can't see or appreciate the enjoyment athletes receive when competing.
BUT.....last I checked, no one made you the judge and jury on sporting conduct or on what is right or wrong.
No person/athlete should accept the burden of guilt you are attempting to put on them. “”Why do you see the speck in your brother's eye but fail to notice the beam in your own eye?”
Stop judging what you don't know. I'm sure you know that a better Judge is watching and keeping score. Go rest, it is not your job.
I will leave you alone to simmer in your hatred for winners.
If that is not true then you want us to believe you are able to read the minds of people you don't know.
Either way, I will step aside. The more you post, the more you prove me right.
I know you, you are the owner of the Land Rover SUV with a bumpersticker that said “Number two is the first loser!” I read it while inching toward a bridge toll gate. Your vehicle was, oh perhaps the 15th in the line, and you were totally clueless that the bumpersticker could be easily applied to you in that situation! Or maybe it wasn’t you!
“Olympians try to win medals. They also try to break records. These are goals for athletes. I applaud the achievement.
Summary of my opinion:
Winning is good. Losing sometimes hurts. If after losing, it is worth it to you, you practice more, try harder, and maybe next time you will win. Which would be good.
Good is good. Losing helps you learn how to win. Then the win feels even better.
Sweet tastes sweeter if you have also tasted the bitter.”
Thanks for your posts on this topic.
It’s been an interesting read especially when more information was provided in various threads with links.
I told my player to beat them no more than 3-0. Only cross the ball and use your head and other such “rules” for the game prior to the start based on the beating they took from others in the area.
At half time it was 8-0. The other team scored on themselves, dropped “easy” passes to their keeper from my team and other completely moronic things to destroy their chance to stay close in the game.
I don't know what was worse - playing keep away from them the second half (35 minutes) of the game where the opponent made no attempt to go for the ball, played out of positions, and otherwise just laid down and quit trying. My team could have scored 30+ goals on them but we left the field 8-0 after my instruction that my players were to stop the ball if it appeared like it was getting too close to goal even if they had to pick the ball up with their hands if necessary.
The first half was humiliating to watch but the second half was even worse. I wanted to get in my car and leave. I believe in all who want to play should play but those kids appear to have been forced my mommy and daddy to get a uniform on and get fresh air. Organized sports require effort and there was none on that day and I suspect there was none at the 100-0 game.
The loss of a job for the lazy play, poor coaching, and kids who had no business being from the other team is overkill. They got on the court and should expect the other team to play the game.
JMHO.
Thanks. I appreciate that.
I agree, the winning coach is a jerk. He shouldn’t be in charge of anything.
I played Varsity football (badly)and my coach made my Drill Sergeants seem like sensitive, caring fellows.
No thanks necessary but you’re welcome.
You made sense. I think we’d all be against any sports team purposely humiliating an opponent, at any level of play. Sometimes, even the best coaches and players try to win, play their best, while also trying to maintain a level playing field or court. If the opponent is so out matched, sometimes there’s nothing that can be done. The losing team should have never been in this league to begin with, imo. Maybe we should be questioning why a high school Varsity basketball team couldn’t score one basket in a game rather than trashing the winning team. PC has infected every aspect of our lives, including youth, jv and varsity high school sports.
Success is bad, anyone that doesn’t or can’t achieve success for any reason is somehow a victim. Very slippery slope we’re on here.
“If you can’t handle defeat, don’t participate in sports”
Exactly.
I also don’t see/read/hear that the losing team was bitching about losing, just a bunch of posters and the “journalist” that “reported” the story.
The coach of the winning team seemed to be fired because of his comments concerning the apology issued by his school and his public display of disagreeing with the school. His right and the school’s right, imo. He wasn’t fired, from what I read so far, for his coaching ability or because of this particular game.
Some seem to think that because the losing school is a school for learning disabilities (which is a HUGE spectrum right there) that “special” rules should apply. Maybe the losing team shouldn’t have been playing in this league? If it’s a special needs school and the players are special needs or learning disabled in any way, maybe they shouldn’t have been playing in this league?
A 100-0 basketball game tells me the losing team had no business playing in this league. The losing team couldn’t make one basket, not one, Varsity high school sports. Not little league, not rec council, but a high school varsity league. Not even a foul shot, free throws.
xzins wrote: “It is confined to a lesson about when to be merciful, and therefore, there are no legal aspects involved.”
Now that’s one helluva statement. So much for the common law, I guess. But regulatory administrative bureaucrats everywhere applaud you.
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