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The College Scam
Townhall.com ^ | January 28, 2009 | John Stossel

Posted on 01/28/2009 5:28:36 AM PST by Kaslin

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To: Tax-chick

I’m not busting chops here, but I never understood a major called “Criminal Justice”. It seems to be a bit of an oxymoron to me. Why don’t they call the major “Victim of Crime Justice.” That seems more apropos to me.


41 posted on 01/28/2009 6:10:01 AM PST by VA_Gentleman (I will not vote for the GOP until they show some spine.)
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To: Kaslin

Not only are many degrees of questionable “value” the whole college system is. Almost every college in the US today is just a continuation(acceleration) of the socialistic/Marxist indoctrination and dogma that public schools have become.

We need to revamp the whole idea of “public” education. We are sending our children off to be brainwashed and paying lots of dollars for the privilege. We need to completely get rid of the idea that “college” in and of itself is the uber goal of “education” and jobs skills training. We also need to revamp and place much more focus of “blue collar” work. Real tangible training and jobs.

We have allowed the foxes in to teach the chickens. It is helping to destroy all that was good about this country.


42 posted on 01/28/2009 6:11:00 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: oh8eleven

HR people in large companies have helped this scam over the last 35 years also by expanding the range of positions for which they only accept degreed people.


43 posted on 01/28/2009 6:12:47 AM PST by steve8714 (How do you know your tattoo doesn't read "I love Mangina" in Chinese?)
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To: Arrowhead1952
Well, at least she didn't get a degree in basket weaving.

There's good money to be made in basket weaving, if you're good at it, market wisely, and manage money well. Try a craft apprenticeship - "Hi! I'll help clean your house and mind your kids if you teach me to make baskets!" - and some community-college business classes.

44 posted on 01/28/2009 6:13:20 AM PST by Tax-chick (I will not be silenced.)
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To: TalonDJ

Even the engineering field has been ‘poll-looted’ by PC/Diversity such that many serious companies require their prospective engineering hires to provide a transcript complete with courses and grades. It is also very obvious that companies have created specific ‘engineering’ jobs that require very little technical prowess and usually are nore liaison between technical & non-technical....pragmatism and profit are not mutually exclusive.


45 posted on 01/28/2009 6:15:40 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Tax-chick
Think Penland..... moonbat heaven
46 posted on 01/28/2009 6:16:10 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The original point of America was not to be Europe)
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To: VA_Gentleman

I don’t know why they call it that ... sounds better than “Be a cop or work in prisons!” I suppose.

“Justice” works both ways, of course. For a criminal, “justice” is some combination of fines, jail, execution, community service, etc., depending on the crime. For a victim, “justice” is some form of retribution vs. the offender.


47 posted on 01/28/2009 6:17:05 AM PST by Tax-chick (I will not be silenced.)
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To: bert

True - unfortunately, many craft-people are barking moonbats; so are folk-music people. But the ones who are good at the skill and have business sense are financially successful.


48 posted on 01/28/2009 6:18:23 AM PST by Tax-chick (I will not be silenced.)
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To: Kaslin
you probably never heard of J.R. Simplot, who never heard of high school. But you have heard of Bill Gates, who never attended a proper college graduation.

How did people get "higher education" before modern college? They studied, researched and discovered.

MIT has a bunch of its courseware on the net for free.

'course, nobody will hire you without a degree, or do much else with you either, so you ought to be ready to work for yourself.

49 posted on 01/28/2009 6:22:39 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: Neoliberalnot
Problem is, they don’t give these degrees away, you actually have to work hard; it ain’t lesbian or african studies.

It's getting that way, FRiend. Schools are giving out degrees like candy and making it easier every year. Even in "real" majors.

It's almost impossible to get a job or internship in those fields with only a degree. You must be ivy league or know someone in the industry that can recommend you.

Reducing standards for these degrees reduces quality of degree holders and puts the increasingly limited number of positions in reach only for children of "elites".

A talented kid from a working class family won't stand out from other degree holders. An employer will instead hire someone with the same degree and possibly less skill if mommy or daddy are already in the industry.

More unintended consequences of RATS making everyone go to college. Less social mobility and more elitism. Exactly what they preach against.

50 posted on 01/28/2009 6:23:24 AM PST by varyouga
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To: Kaslin
But some people look down on vocational school.

Exactly. They look down on vokes and they look up to universities. Students have some excuse, but parents should know better. They pay bills.

The girl needs to wake up, smell the real world and learn a trade. Business pays the bills, not sheepskins for human development woolgathering. BUSINESS!

51 posted on 01/28/2009 6:23:58 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: a6intruder
Take your bachelors degree down to your local military recruiter.

With the Democrats in power? They are going to defund the military and use the money instead to buy votes to sustain their position. Joining the military now is a plan for unhappiness.

52 posted on 01/28/2009 6:25:12 AM PST by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: Kaslin

Hopefully the online University of Phoenix will cut college costs to a fraction. I could have gotten my business degree online no problem. Maybe just go somewhere to do the public speaking part.


53 posted on 01/28/2009 6:26:14 AM PST by sazerac
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To: Kaslin

I tend to think that it’s not so much that going to college tends to CAUSE people to earn a million more in their lifetime, but that people who are smarter and have other beneficial characteristics tend to follow the college path.

Heck, pro basketball players make more in their lifetimes than teachers, but that fact does not provide much helpful information about career choices to the average person.


54 posted on 01/28/2009 6:27:50 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Guns don't kill people. Criminals and the governments that create them kill people.)
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To: iopscusa

IF we had decent SCHOOLS period...citizens at age 18 would be well prepared to understand how to think for themselves

Twelve years of school is a LOT of school. And "they" keep wanting more and more and more money for education!

If you or I went down to the local market and got stuck with a bag of moldy cookies, would we go back and give them more money to fix the problem?

55 posted on 01/28/2009 6:29:29 AM PST by jnsun (The LEFT: The need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer)
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To: rbg81
It could be worse—it could be “Womayns Studies”...

Fixed that for you...

56 posted on 01/28/2009 6:29:33 AM PST by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops by accusing them of war crimes.)
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To: Kaslin
College these days is a joke. Were I to do it over again, I would have taken auto shop, fabrication, welding, and auto body courses in HS, then on to WyoTech or something akin to it.

There is always a need for making things go and keeping them going.

57 posted on 01/28/2009 6:30:47 AM PST by IYAS9YAS (Obama - what you get when you mix Affirmative Action with the Peter Principle.)
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To: Tax-chick

Well, there was some sarcasm intended in my reply. I know one gal who graduated college - after not getting high enough grades for nursing school - who ended up with a basket weaving degree. She is unemployed since graduating almost a year ago. Probably pregnant by now too.


58 posted on 01/28/2009 6:35:37 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dissent is patriotic - Hussein is not and will never be my president.)
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To: ritewingwarrior
This is what happens when the government tries to educate people beyond their ability or interest. They are schooled but not educated. For everyone to be pushed through these diploma mills they will have to be dumbed down even more. We all know college graduates that can't read, write and do basic math. Imagine what it will be like when they bring in those who can't make the grade today!

You make a good point. People who trudge through 4 years earning near useless touchy-feely degrees because they have “been told” this is what they should do have already failed one of the first big tests in life. Those who work hard to become educated and knowledgeable (with or without college) because they want to are miles ahead.

A couple of generations ago it was difficult for people to just finish high school because many had to work at an early age. Banks and governments didn't throw money around like they do now.

My deceased mother in law only made it through eighth grade but had a love of knowledge and was self educated far beyond that. She could do advanced math and calculus in her head that most people can't do at all. She had read all the classics and anything else worth reading, knew world history, geography and natural science. She understood plumbing, carpentry, masonry, and how mechanical things worked. She could recite all the documents and speeches important to development of western civilization and could hold an informed discussion on almost any topic that arose, even into her 80's.

What is most amazing is not what she had learned and accomplished while working at hard jobs and long hours since a young age, but that there were so many others of her generation who did the same. My mom and dad were like that as were almost all the other people of their generation I knew.

They were a generation of doers, builders of America, not the government coddled over schooled, undereducated whiners we see so often today. They litter the shopping malls and end up flipping hamburgers while they wait for Obama or a new government program to take care of them.

It is the self motivated people who learn because they have an interest in pure knowledge or to further their realistic goals and ambitions who are still the backbone of America.

59 posted on 01/28/2009 6:36:02 AM PST by Iron Munro (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself)
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To: jr.ewing.78

You nailed it. You can call it the “education bubble”. Just like political correctness played a role in lowering mortgage lending standards.


60 posted on 01/28/2009 6:38:30 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Guns don't kill people. Criminals and the governments that create them kill people.)
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