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Jailed For An Insult?
Human Events ^ | 01/28/2009 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 01/28/2009 2:14:06 PM PST by Delacon

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To: Delacon; knighthawk

People here are starting to figure out that the Wilders persecution does not just affect the Dutch.


21 posted on 01/28/2009 3:03:58 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Delacon
As I have been saying, Rush needs to be careful.

His biggest asset is his brain, his greatest flaw is his ego. I suspect that the plan is to insult his ego enough that Rush reacts in a way that will take him down. It has happened before, but I hope that Rush has learned how to control himself.

22 posted on 01/28/2009 3:05:03 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Nervous Tick
Really? Controlling the Internet would be easy, just ask China. Get the major hosting and search sites to play ball, and then go after smaller guys.
23 posted on 01/28/2009 3:06:28 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: KrisKrinkle

Those are good questions.

I think the relative “freedom” of satellite broadcasting is due to the sheer number of choices made available by huge bandwidth. Instead of fighting over half hour time slots, an opposing view can have a whole damn channel! (And sink or swim according to the relative popularity of that view.) It’s a different proposition from having only a few channels and trying to make each of them “fair” within itself.

As for launch... several countries can now get your satellite into the air.

I will confess that I’m no expert on the technology or its business aspects — and, again, you bring up provocative points.

I hope that someone who knows more about it will enlighten us.


24 posted on 01/28/2009 3:07:03 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: abb

Well China and the Middle East do a pretty good job of controlling the internet in their respective countries. Hell they even have Yahoo and Google under their thumb and those two mega companies are outside their jurisdiction. Nah, look for the internet to first be taxed and if it can be taxed it can be controlled.


25 posted on 01/28/2009 3:07:13 PM PST by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon
There's an old story that goes like this:

Two men are talking about "rights" and the Constitution.

The first man askes the second man, "Do you believe in the First Amendment right to free speech?"

The second man replies, "Absolutely!"

The first man then asks, "Do you believe in the Second Amendment right to carry arms?"

The second man says, "No, I don't believe people should own guns."

The first man then says, "Then shut the heck up!"

-PJ

26 posted on 01/28/2009 3:09:05 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (You can never overestimate the Democrats' ability to overplay their hand.)
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To: redgolum

>> Controlling the Internet would be easy, just ask China.

Turns out it’s really *not* that easy, even for China. And it may be a bit of hyperbole to fear at this point that our government can and would turn into one as repressive as Red China. Not impossible, but unlikely IMHO. And if it comes to pass, what they do with the internet won’t matter to me, because I will already have been killed trying to stop it. If you know what I mean.


27 posted on 01/28/2009 3:10:28 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: Nervous Tick

“The Fairness Doctrine would only apply to public broadcast spectrum. Right?”

Wrong. There already are efforts to apply the fairness doctrine to the internet because it also is a thorn in the side of those that would like to silence dissent.


28 posted on 01/28/2009 3:14:47 PM PST by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon; Nervous Tick

A pertinent passage from some recent reading.

Dismantling Utopia: How Information Ended the Soviet Union – Scott Shane
Ivan R. Dee, Chicago, 1994, 324 pp.
Chapter 3: What Price Socialism? An Economy Without Information

Pp. 77-78

My informal survey suggested that some of the longest lines in Moscow were for shoes. At first I assumed that the inefficient Soviet economy simply did not produce enough shoes, and for that reason, even in the capital, people were forced to line up for hours to buy them. Defitsit, shortage, was a workhorse of colloquial Soviet speech. The adjectival form, defitsitny, had become a term of praise, since everything desirable was in short supply: Look at this pottery I found – it’s very defitsitny. So they needed to make more shoes, I figured. Then I looked up the statistics.

I was wrong. The Soviet Union was the largest producer of shoes in the world. It was turning out 800 million pairs of shoes a year – twice as many as Italy, three times as many as the United States, four times as many as China. Production amounted to more than three pairs of shoes per year for every Soviet man, woman, and child.

The problem with shoes, it turned out, was not an absolute shortage. It was a far more subtle malfunction. The comfort, the fit, the design, and the size mix of Soviet shoes were so out of sync with what people needed and wanted that they were willing to stand in line for hours to buy the occasional pair, usually imported, that they liked.

At the root of the dysfunction was the state’s control of information. Prices are information – the information producers need in order to know what and how much to produce. In a market for product as varied in material and design as footwear, shifting prices are like sensors taped to the skin of a patient in a medical experiment; they provide a constant flow of information about consumer needs and preferences. When the state controlled prices, it deprived producers of information about demand.

The shoe factory boss churned out shoes to meet the Plan, a production quota set by bureaucrats who reported to Moscow’s hulking Gosplan, the State Planning Committee. The shoes were priced according to arcane formulae by another gos-institution (for gosudarstvo, state), Goskomtsen, the State Price Committee. The shoes were distributed by another beefy bureaucracy, Gossnab, the State Supply Committee. If the shoe factory boss was smart, the might produce 10 percent over plan, wind himself a bonus, and be named a Hero of Socialist Labor. But as far as the consumer was concerned, the factory manager operated in the dark, without any information from the market, without feedback.

Indeed, the factory’s real customer was the state, not the consumer. The state purchased all the shoe factory’s production, good, bad, or indifferent. The consumer’s choices were not allowed to enter into the matter. So, driven by the tireless efforts of the shoe factory hero and those like him, gross national product might rise and the Politburo might express satisfaction at the obvious economic progress. But on the street the picture looked less triumphant: many stores had bins of clunky shoes sitting around unbought, while down the street hundreds of people sacrificed their mornings waiting for imports.

The vague impression in the West that the Soviet economy was merely an enfeebled version of a Western economy was inaccurate. It was a different beast altogether. It was dreadfully inefficient, stubbornly resistant to change, but capable of huge feats of production. The statistical yearbooks, with their selective but impressive tables of “Comparison with Leading Capitalist Countries,” proved as much.

The shoes Soviet industry produced might end up in a landfill, but comrade, it could produce shoes.


29 posted on 01/28/2009 3:15:02 PM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

We’ve already seen the Mark Steyn case in Canada come perilously close to shutting him down; and the minister in Sweden or Finland, can’t remember, who was acquitted-—but only after a trial-—of “hate crimes” for (I think) discussing the biblical view of homosexuality.


30 posted on 01/28/2009 3:18:15 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Delacon; abb

>> There already are efforts to apply the fairness doctrine to the internet because it also is a thorn in the side of those that would like to silence dissent.

I know the libs would give their left nut to control the Internet. However, it’s nearly an intractable problem. What’s more, I’ve never seen a serious attempt by a lawmaker to impose censorship or “fairness” on the net.

(By “serious attempt”, I mean for example a proposed draft of a bill to include the Intranet in the fairness doctrine. Not just liberal blather, which they do on a regular basis.)

Do you have a link or other source that indicates otherwise?


31 posted on 01/28/2009 3:27:43 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: LS

Commonwealth countries don’t have equivalent constitutional protections to our Bill of Rights. Do they?

Not saying our “rights” couldn’t be trampled, but I think we do begin with a huge advantage. So comparing us to Canada (or Britain) — or Sweden, which also doesn’t have such protection — may not be apples and apples.


32 posted on 01/28/2009 3:30:39 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: Delacon
F-0!!!
33 posted on 01/28/2009 3:38:23 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: Nervous Tick; LS; Delacon

One thing to think about is that since the internet came along, the music industry has tried everything under the sun to prevent file sharing (which is merely information sharing), all to no avail. Video clips go viral within moments of posting. YouTube cannot control them out no matter how hard they try.

Movies are available on the ‘net within hours of their release. It appears that most anything digitized cannot be hemmed up.

I see government’s efforts to control political speech to be no more successful than that of media companies trying to control their content.

Merely my thinking, of course.


34 posted on 01/28/2009 3:39:10 PM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Nervous Tick
Well my own republican congressman Mike Castle a few years back led the charge to impose a sales tax on internet commerce(this from a state that has no sales tax and that might be why he led the charge). If it can be taxed, it can be controlled. But here ya go:

FCC Commissioner: Return of Fairness Doctrine Could Control Web Content
McDowell warns reinstated powers could play in net neutrality debate, lead to government requiring balance on Web sites.
http://businessandmedia.org/articles/2008/20080812160747.aspx

35 posted on 01/28/2009 3:41:20 PM PST by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: abb

>> I see government’s efforts to control political speech to be no more successful than that of media companies trying to control their content.

That extends to political finance, as well. The only thing holding a candidate to obeying campaign finance laws is the candidate’s integrity. It’s not a technical challenge to funnel large amounts of money — domestic AND foreign — to a candidate using (guess what?) the Internet as a tool.


36 posted on 01/28/2009 3:42:52 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: Delacon

>> But here ya go:

This is not an example of a serious attempt to actually DO it.

This is just someone who, like you, is sounding the alarm that it could happening — without offering any concrete evidence, just opinion.

Mind you, I’m not disagreeing with you that it would be a bad thing. On the other hand, I still haven’t seen any real evidence that it’s imminent, indeed if it’s even possible. So I’m not going to get my adrenalin pumping over it just yet.


37 posted on 01/28/2009 3:47:16 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Party? I don't have one anymore.)
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To: abb

Well the internet is still the wild west of the technology age but yes indeed efforts to control it have succeeded. Napster is a hollow shell compaired to what it was so no, not to no avail. The US government is obviously nipping around the edges on this powerful medium of free speech. When they feel that they can get away with biting a big chunk, they sure as hell will.


38 posted on 01/28/2009 3:47:40 PM PST by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Nervous Tick
“So I’m not going to get my adrenalin pumping over it just yet.”

Thats ok. I am all for delegating vigilance. I'll keep getting my adrenalin pumping over this issue. You worry about other things. If you feel the need, you know where I'll be(keyword: fairness doctrine).:)

39 posted on 01/28/2009 3:52:30 PM PST by Delacon ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." H. L. Mencken)
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To: Delacon
Napster is a hollow shell compaired to what it was so no, not to no avail. The US government is obviously nipping around the edges on this powerful medium of free speech. When they feel that they can get away with biting a big chunk, they sure as hell will.

As soon as Napster folded, ten and more popped up to take its place. As evidence I cite the total ineffectiveness of the RIAA with all its resource to slow down file sharing (information distribution) one whit.

And to be sure, I agree Central Government will attempt censorship, but it will fail, I opine. See 'Gutenberg,' 'Bible,' and 'Roman Catholic Church.'

40 posted on 01/28/2009 3:53:47 PM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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