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Pledge of Allegiance Becomes Pledge to Obama
News Blaze ^ | 1/27/2009 | Alan Gray

Posted on 01/28/2009 5:42:17 PM PST by markomalley

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To: JillValentine
If Obama starts removing good generals and admirals and replacing them with Wesley Clark types, we should be very afraid.

He doesn't have to remove them, if they don't have the balls to stand up to him. I'm thinking of the JCS who backed down to LBJ, and all that followed.

141 posted on 01/28/2009 8:38:34 PM PST by cayuga (Just sitting here waiting for 0bama's Reichstag Fire.)
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To: markomalley
http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/showthread.php?t=45498
142 posted on 01/28/2009 9:33:29 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: markomalley

bttt


144 posted on 01/29/2009 1:01:02 AM PST by SuperLuminal
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To: markomalley

Teachers clearly do not realize the gravity of what they are doing.

Oh yes, they do.


145 posted on 01/29/2009 1:03:58 AM PST by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.)
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To: markomalley

146 posted on 01/29/2009 4:28:20 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: Old Sarge

147 posted on 01/29/2009 4:30:54 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: upchuck

Well Biden is an idiot, we all know, but I do believe I’d take Biden over the O. I don’t think Biden would be handing out so much of that cash, especially to ACORN. And at least, we’d know he is not an illegal, and might, just might have the US’s wellfare at heart a little better than the O. And maybe, not want to play footsie with the terrorist.


148 posted on 01/29/2009 4:32:14 AM PST by nbhunt
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To: dayglored

Umm, you’re joking, right??

That is a photo that was created in WWII to show what would happen if we lost to the Germans, kids would be using Nazi salutes to the flag instead of their hand over their heart


149 posted on 01/29/2009 5:39:11 AM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: RaceBannon

“No maam. I said ‘flag’. I swear I did”.


150 posted on 01/29/2009 5:40:16 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Old Sarge

They certainly do:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2174104/posts


151 posted on 01/29/2009 7:05:03 AM PST by goldi
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To: RaceBannon
> Umm, you’re joking, right?? That is a photo that was created in WWII to show what would happen if we lost to the Germans, kids would be using Nazi salutes to the flag instead of their hand over their heart

Nope, you have your history wrong.

That was the original form of the salute during the Pledge, and it was the official form used by Americans until it was changed during WWII, because it was too much like the Nazi salute.

Ours came first, by over 40 years. The Nazis poisoned it, and we changed our form by government decree:

Reciting of the pledge is accompanied by a salute. An early version of the salute, adopted in 1892, was known as the Bellamy salute. It ended with the arm outstretched and the palm upwards. Because of the similarity between the Bellamy salute and the Nazi salute, President Franklin D. Roosevelt instituted the hand-over-the-heart gesture as the salute to be rendered by civilians during the Pledge of Allegiance and the national anthem in the United States, instead of the Bellamy salute. This was done when Congress officially adopted the Flag Code on 22 June 1942.

See many of the posts in this thread for details. The quote above is from here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance_to_the_Flag_of_the_United_States

152 posted on 01/29/2009 7:16:00 AM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
THis is the 1890's salute to the flag

This is NOT the salute those kids were doing, in fact, thaks to your post, I did some searching myself, and BEllamy's original recommendations were:

After leaving the pulpit, Francis Bellamy decided to advance his authoritarian ideas through the public schools. Bellamy wrote the Pledge of Allegiance for Youth's Companion, a popular children's magazine. With the aid of the National Education Association, Bellamy and the editors of Youth's Companion got the Pledge adopted as part of the National Public School Celebration on Columbus Day 1892.

Bellamy's recommended ritual for honoring the flag had students all but goosestepping their way through the Pledge: "At a signal from the Principal the pupils, in ordered ranks, hands to the side, face the Flag. Another signal is given; every pupil gives the Flag the military salute--right hand lifted, palm downward, to a line with the forehead and close to it... At the words, 'to my Flag,' the right hand is extended gracefully, palm upward, towards the Flag, and remains in this gesture till the end of the affirmation; whereupon all hands immediately drop to the side." After the rise of Nazism, this form of salute was thought to be in poor taste, to say the least, and replaced with today's hand-on-heart gesture.

I have to admit I never knew there was a two step salute, but to post the picture of the kids doing a SIEG HIEL salute as the plege is misinformative, it was a two step salute with the arm outstretched after a military salute

153 posted on 01/29/2009 8:59:16 AM PST by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: This_far

...particularly since it’s still our flag.

Good point. And remember, it has the word “GOD” in it. That must be an affront to so many people.


154 posted on 01/29/2009 9:59:11 AM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: 01/22/09 Obama hands the hope of the unborn to terrorists.)
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To: getarope

Ooops. :-)


155 posted on 01/29/2009 9:59:37 AM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: 01/22/09 Obama hands the hope of the unborn to terrorists.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

Your son isn’t the only one. My children find him scary looking and don’t like seeing his face EVERYWHERE.


156 posted on 01/29/2009 10:05:29 AM PST by HungarianGypsy
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To: markomalley
Teachers clearly do not realize the gravity of what they are doing.

"Clearly?"

I think their presumed ignorance is far from clear.

in fact, I suspect they know full well what they're doing.


157 posted on 01/29/2009 10:11:20 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: FreedomPoster

when i read the story there was an update which stated:

Update: The parents spoke to the Vice-Principal this afternoon. He said he would take care of it. I will check with them tomorrow and update this story.

all that were given for specifics were Clark County School District of Las Vegas,


158 posted on 01/29/2009 10:57:56 AM PST by Munz (Infiltrate Interrogate Eradicate NEXT!)
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To: markomalley

I have a feeling my son would be taking a trip to the principals office if they did that in his school.


159 posted on 01/29/2009 12:52:46 PM PST by HollyB
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To: markomalley

Yet another reason to homeschool...as if any more were needed.


160 posted on 01/29/2009 12:57:15 PM PST by Antoninus (Obama: "Lucravi." -- Conservatives: "Vae victis.")
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