Posted on 01/30/2009 10:03:07 AM PST by jazusamo
OK. What happened to the "pay as you go" idea?
They will be accepting responsibility for educating their **own** children in the same way they feed them, dress them, and house them. ( They also have the benefit of a **lifetime** of lower taxes.)
So....Why stop with school? Why not give the middle classes, working poor, and the rich, government grocery stores, government clothing ( all tan and brown, of course), and cement block Soviet-stle housing?
To pay for it all, we just tax everyone at 100% and call them slaves.
And if the won't accpet that responsibility, what are you going to do about it?
OK. What happened to the “pay as you go” idea?
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As in:
Your child goes to school and you write a check for the tuition?
Against what? The money you're going to save in sales tax for the next 60 years?
What happens to teachers and principals who promote illiterate children from grade to grade and even allow them to graduate?
So....If illiterate and innumerate is the standard for government then it should be the standard for parents!
Again I am re-posting #82. I see you failed to read it.
To: tacticalogic
There are two conservative positions to education:
1) The Milton Freidman type of conservative would say that, yes, parents can be obligated by law ( this means police threat) to educate their children.
These conservatives reason that there is enough of a societal benefit to the community and to the child to have force of law ( this means police threat) to demand that parents educate their children.
The state can and does demand that parents feed, house, and clothe their children, and these conservatives believe that the state can demand the parents educate their children.
But....What will be the standard?
If government, itself **graduates** functional illiterates ( and even complete illiterates) what standard should be forced upon parents? If government promotes from grade to grade children who are lacking even the most basic literacy and numeracy, what can the state demand of parents?
Ok...So...If the state makes demands of parents then the **same** standards should apply to parents that the state now applies to itself. If illiterate and innumerate is considered good enough for a child to be promoted and even graduated in a state school then parents should be held to the **same** standard. If illiterate and innumerate is good enough for the state than that is good enough for the parent.
The only the thing the parent should demonstrate is a good faith effort to educate the child. If the state can't guarantee an educated child, then state officials and police should not demand more from a parent.
2) Another conservative position is merely to get the government out of the business of either providing or supervising education.
If the government can't guarantee an educated children, then the same standard should apply to parents. It seems evident to me that the government has no standards for educating, promoting, or graduating students, so the same “no standard” form of standards should apply to parents.
If there are, in essence, no standards for government schooling, why bother with government involvement at all?
82 posted on Friday, January 30, 2009 8:08:36 PM by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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Then you’ve still got the government dictating what they’re going to be taught.
Sorry, I misunderstood. There won’t be any standards or enforcement. The children of people who don’t care enough to see to their education will run feral in the streets.
Yep! You're right.
The government standard is **complete** illiteracy and innumeracy. This will get many a child passed from grade to grade ( and some even manage to graduate).
So....Yes, that is the minimum standard “dictated” by the government.
If that is the minimum standard for government then it must also be the minimum standard for parents.
So?....If **nothing** is the government standard dictated to all, why bother to have government involved at all?
Sounds like an exercise in academic anarchy.
How about nothing? Just like we did about it hundreds of years ago.
Who says it's anyone's job to make sure someone else's kids get educated?
Whatever happened to personal responsibility and living with the consequences?
Like, back in the Dark Ages?
Why? Why should they?
I had misunderstood the argument. I re-read it and determined that it’s advocating no standards at all.
Ok...So, at least the government imprisons these kids and holds them to illiterate and innumerate standards.
But...you are right. They may be as ignorant as a box of rocks but they are not running around “feral” in the streets. These children ( who, by the way, have committed no crime) are, instead, neatly imprisoned.
Earth to tl.
They already are.
If they want to drop out, they are going to drop out. Locking a child in school all day for most of the year is not going to educate a child who isn't interested.
At the very least, we'll be saving money by not paying for services that the kids aren't using anyway.
And we’re still stuck with paying for it.
So you’re in favor of federally mandated education and curriculum content?
So, comrade, what penalties do you propose that the government implement for non-compliant citizens?
At the very least, we'll be saving money by not paying for services that the kids aren't using anyway.
Kind of an academic Darwinism approach?
The “Dark Ages” did not have the benefit of the printing press.
Were you aware that within one generation of the invention of the printing press, near univeral literacy exploded throughout Europe?
I call that being “self-sufficient”.
The Federalist Papers sold more copies per percentage of the Revolutionary War population than the Harry Potter books of today. The Federalist Papers were a **huge** “best seller” because the common citizen of our nation at the time was highly literate, and illiteracy was nearly nonexistent.
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