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To: TruthConquers

Re-read my responses.

I said it isn’t a viable general alternative. For certain people, it works. For the majority, it doesn’t.

It’s all I’m saying.

The worst part is you can’t test the parent to see whether they are teaching their kids, or if you have a ‘blind leading the blind’ situation.

Public school teachers are degreed, go through student teaching, and have to maintain their certification. It doesn’t mean that ALL are good teachers. It does mean that someone’s regulating them. If the NEA weren’t around, you may have a shot at retaining the good ones and firing the bad ones.

By the way, the curriculum DOES have the classes on the subject matter they teach. You get certificated in a main subject area, with a sub-cert in a minor area.

Teaching is both art and science. You can have hyper-qualified people in an area of specialty, and they can have zero ability to reach students. Much of a teacher’s degree addresses this very thing, and more.

You’re suffering from media poisoning. The schools are a banquet. Kids pick what they want to eat and leave the rest. Some think it’ll be fat city forever, and the blow it off. Some know different, and make the most of it.

There’s some truth in what you’re saying about indoctrination, but the schools aren’t dead, or are they stupid, and they aren’t soulless either.

Schools are like any other opportunity - you deal with the limitations and make the most of the advantages. Funny how you don’t have to explain this to SE Asian kids.

I’ll tell you this much, I’d be dead right now if it were up to my parents teaching me school on a daily basis. Between school, and the military, I escaped.

You show me a myth that needs to die in America, and that’s the myth that mommy knows best. Mother’s are the most powerful legal entity in the USA.

You want to kill a union? The family court system would be a worthy adversary.

In the interest of full disclosure, I’m not a teacher. I’m an engineer. Any credit for me getting to this point belongs to the teachers I had in 3rd, 8th, 10th, 11th, and 12th grades.

I had my share of bad ones too. From them I learned how to deal with bad bosses and survive. Same with the military.

They aren’t going to learn that from Mommy. You know what’s worse? If mommy can’t teach, they can’t wait until next year to get a fresh shot at a different teacher. They are stuck with mommy until they graduate. Year in and year out, sticking it out with mommy.

The good news for mommy is that since the kids don’t get another teacher, they never find out for quite a while how bad they were (or how good).

Either way, the kid doesn’t get a say in things, and even if they did, they’re ignorant about the matter because the one teacher’s all they’ve ever had (or two if dad’s involved). No principal’s going to come around and evaluate mommy to see if she’s any good at the job.

Here’s the thing: Public schools can be improved, like everything else. Looking at them ‘half-empty’ is one way to go about it. Parents, from my perspective, are OBLIGATED to teach their kids, even if the kids do spend all day at school.

My kids come home with neo-environmental cultism too. Then they sit and talk with dad. They come home with ‘black history month’, and I tell them it misses Dr. King’s point completely - that it was never about race, but character.

You can’t protect your children from different perspectives. Even homeschooling doesn’t work for that. Parents can, however, prepare them with tools for how to evaluate the merits of those perspectives.

If that’s being an elitist snob, then I guess you’re right.


177 posted on 02/02/2009 10:00:37 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

Homeschooling is most certainly a viable alternative. A more wholesome and challenging one than any cookie cutter, red tape adder, parent discounting, students are just a number and a paycheck, system. And for the majority, the public schools are failing.

That’s all I am saying.

Your whole point about testing is unfounded. Homeless moms have homeschooled and her son who a perfect score on the SAT a few years ago. That mom wasn’t tested by anyone. And the teachers in the system WHEN THEY ARE TESTED, the majority don’t pass. The public school teachers in New York I believe couldn’t pass an eight grade test. Graduated teaching teachers couldn’t pass!!! What a royal rip off!! The idea that credentials have anything to do with ability is false and a paradigm of the left. Useless baloney.

The curriculum DOES NOT get taught. Just last week a Freeper posted a teaching friends confession that she was NOT taught enough math to teach well. MATH!! Never mind the shuffling of teaching assignments to classes that are not their area of study, and more than 70% of kids are taught by a teacher that is not in their area of study. Those teachers aren’t able to teach well and have their hands tied in knots.

The schools are dead soulless and full of indoctrination. Anyone who does not know this is got their head in the sand. This nation is going to lose its freedoms because of people like you who WANT to believe the schools can be saved and send their kids there. They are the reason why the left keeps making progress, while conservatives will become the bane of society. Do you not understand that is how 0 got elected? Are you asleep? The blind leading the blind?

The crack about media poisoning is a laugh. The media hates homeschoolers. HA!! Your the one that is poisoned by your own difficult past and the media. You believe that nonsense about homeschoolers are too “protected” HA! Your hate and pain makes it IMPOSSIBLE for you to be impartial towards homeschoolers.

If you think that some bureaucrat out there cares more about the kids in the schools, that is just sad. Truly. Do you know why the schools aren’t held responsible for the education of the kids FORCED to attend by law? BECAUSE THEIR IS NO LAW REQUIRING ANY CHILD TO BE EDCUATED BY THE TAXPAYER SUPPORTED SYSTEM. So you think this bastion of “hope” and failure should be in charge of who is worthy to teach? You want to give even more power to the feminazis in the schools? Where do you think all these metro sexual boys are coming from? They have only just started to turn over children to homo’s for adoption.

That is crazy. Your pain is short circuiting your brain. Your situation is not anywhere near “average” and the kids who have moms who really don’t care, those moms don’t homeschool.

As a personal note, the schools did not save me or my brothers. Our parents were too busy with their careers and putting each other though college to care about us. Not one teacher for the three of us helped or cared. Period. The schools may have saved you, but there are MORE kids they hurt and abandon than they help. Homeschooling moms are not YOUR mom. We are a feisty and dedicated bunch. We care more about the KIND of education that our children receive than ANYONE else. It does NOT take a village.

As far as I am concerned, credentialing, bureaucratizing, left leaning socialist institutions with mushy group think are not what made this country. It was FREEDOM. That your mom did not cherish you and care is a sin. But no school is going to care enough to make up for the loss of freedom you advocate. Do you really think that all homeschoolers should lose the freedoms we do have, just because your mom failed you? That is honestly, evil. Wake up.


178 posted on 02/03/2009 2:22:38 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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