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To: wintertime

If you’re trying to convince me it won’t be any worse if we just let them run feral in the streets, it’s not working. I’m going to need more than some unattributed anecdotes from an anonymouse poster on an internet chat forum.


79 posted on 01/30/2009 6:50:57 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
There are two conservative positions to education:

1) The Milton Freidman type of conservative would say that, yes, parents can be obligated by law ( this means police threat) to educate their children.

These conservatives reason that there is enough of a societal benefit to the community and to the child to have force of law ( this means police threat) to demand that parents educate their children.

The state can and does demand that parents feed, house, and clothe their children, and these conservatives believe that the state can demand the parents educate their children.

But....What will be the standard?

If government, itself **graduates** functional illiterates ( and even complete illiterates) what standard should be forced upon parents? If government promotes from grade to grade children who are lacking even the most basic literacy and numeracy, what can the state demand of parents?

Ok...So...If the state makes demands of parents then the **same** standards should apply to parents that the state now applies to itself. If illiterate and innumerate is considered good enough for a child to be promoted and even graduated in a state school then parents should be held to the **same** standard. If illiterate and innumerate is good enough for the state than that is good enough for the parent.

The only the thing the parent should demonstrate is a good faith effort to educate the child. If the state can't guarantee an educated child, then state officials and police should not demand more from a parent.

2) Another conservative position is merely to get the government out of the business of either providing or supervising education.

If the government can't guarantee an educated children, then the same standard should apply to parents. It seems evident to me that the government has no standards for educating, promoting, or graduating students, so the same “no standard” form of standards should apply to parents.

If there are, in essence, no standards for government schooling, why bother with government involvement at all?

82 posted on 01/30/2009 7:08:36 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: tacticalogic; wintertime
I’m going to need more than some unattributed anecdotes from an anonymouse poster on an internet chat forum.

Which is exactly the amount of credibility you have, tl.

So can we presume that anything you say is a lie as well?

98 posted on 01/30/2009 8:37:13 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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