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To: GodGunsGuts
If the creation of heaven and earth took place on (day 4) where does that leave days 1-2-3?

By attempting to make the two, create and made, synonymous you would be led to that conclusion though the heavens and earth were already created before day 4.

Where in Scripture is bara’ used to describe other than acts by God?
However ‘asah is often used of humans AND God. The two words are thus not interchangeable or synonyms. Where ‘asah is used for acts by humans bara’ cannot be and never is interchanged or treated as a synonym.

NO lexicon that speaks of bara’ and ‘asah treats them as interchangeable, as synomyms, Not one that I’ve looked at least amongst Gesenius, Brown-Driver-Briggs, Strong's, even the humble Smith's Bible Dictionary explains the difference under the heading “create”.

I know you the take the phrase where made is used as a repetition of the phrase where create is used but what translator interchanges the two words, make for bara’ or create for ‘asah, in any Scripture? Any at all?

Those phrases are not just two ways of saying the same thing if one word means something the other cannot and that is the case of bara’ and ‘asah.

The lexicographers, the translators, the dictionary makers are looking at the same context you and I are and they make a distinction in their use of ‘asah and bara’.

If there are substantial exceptions, kindly inform me.

457 posted on 02/05/2009 11:55:09 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

==If the creation of heaven and earth took place on (day 4) where does that leave days 1-2-3?

Oops. That is what we used to call a brain fart in the Marine Corps. Earth = Day 1.

==By attempting to make the two, create and made, synonymous you would be led to that conclusion though the heavens and earth were already created before day 4.

See above.

I have run out of time at the moment. Will return with the rest when I come up for air.

All the best—GGG


458 posted on 02/05/2009 12:12:22 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: count-your-change

==Where in Scripture is bara’ used to describe other than acts by God? However ‘asah is often used of humans AND God. The two words are thus not interchangeable or synonyms. Where ‘asah is used for acts by humans bara’ cannot be and never is interchanged or treated as a synonym.

As far as I know, bara is only used with respect to acts of God. However, asah is also used to describe acts of God. Thus if God both created and fashioned on the same day, it seems to me that either one can be used to refer to that same day (or days).

==I know you the take the phrase where made is used as a repetition of the phrase where create is used but what translator interchanges the two words, make for bara’ or create for ‘asah, in any Scripture? Any at all?

I don’t know the answer to your question with respect to the translators. To be honest, this thread is the first time I can remember ever really thinking about about these two words. But if the Bible refers to any given creation day, or days, using both words to describe them, then it seems reasonable to me to conclude that God was both creating and fashioning during creation week. And if he was doing both on any given creation day, then it stands to reason that either word can be used to refer to the same. That makes them referential synonyms (meaning the same thing, or nearly the same thing) in my book.


462 posted on 02/05/2009 4:26:29 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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