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To: GodGunsGuts

Citation please on Stephen Hawkings....

Darwin did not begin the philosophy or practice of science, he simply made some observations and theorized based upon those observations. Same as had been done for centuries.

He was also using dull tools and ours a considerably better.


56 posted on 01/30/2009 12:25:09 PM PST by texmexis best (uency)
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To: texmexis best

==Darwin did not begin the philosophy or practice of science, he simply made some observations and theorized based upon those observations. Same as had been done for centuries.

Darwin was not a scientist, nor did he follow the scientific method. He attempted to write the entire history of biology based an a few minor variations between finches, and not a shred of additional evidence. This is about as unscientific as you can get. Not only that, the actual evidence has been thwarting Darwinist and neo-Darwinist explanations ever since. But that does not dampen the fervor of the Temple of Darwin. Which just goes to show that the NDToE is more a religious movement than anything else.

==Citation please on Stephen Hawkings....

9. The big bang presupposition

In their influential but highly technical book, The Large Scale Structure of Space-Time, Stephen Hawking and George Ellis introduce their section on the big bang cosmology with the following general remarks:

‘However we are not able to make cosmological models without some admixture of ideology. In the earliest cosmologies, man placed himself in a commanding position at the centre of the universe. Since the time of Copernicus we have been steadily demoted to a medium sized planet going round a medium sized star on the outer edge of a fairly average galaxy, which is itself simply one of a local group of galaxies. Indeed we are now so democratic that we would not claim that our position in space is specially distinguished in any way. We shall, following Bondi (1960), call this assumption the Copernican principle’ [emphasis added].45

This notion used to be called the ‘Cosmological principle’.46,47 Note carefully that Hawking and Ellis call it an ‘assumption’ and an ‘admixture of ideology’—a presupposed idea not required by observations. Their phrase ‘we would not claim …’ is actually a dogmatic claim: the Earth is not in a special position in the cosmos. They go on to say:

‘A reasonable interpretation of this somewhat vague principle is to understand it as implying that, when viewed on a suitable scale, the universe is approximately spatially homogenous’ [emphasis added].48

‘Spatially homogeneous’ means ‘uniformly spread throughout all available space’. Hawking and Ellis are claiming that at any time space is completely filled with matter-energy. There never were any large empty volumes of space, and there never will be, they say.

They make this leap of faith because observations show that the universe is isotropic or spherically symmetric around us, meaning that from our vantage point it looks much the same in all directions. Ordinarily, Hawking and Ellis point out, this would mean, ‘we are located near a very special point’ 49—such as the centre. That conflicts with their desire that the Earth not be in a special location, so they seek a less troubling cosmology,

‘… in which the universe is isotropic about every point in space time; so we shall interpret the Copernican principle as stating that the universe is approximately spherically symmetric about every point (since it is approximately spherically symmetric around us).’49

As they then show, cranking this rather bizarre assumption into the mathematics of general relativity results in the various forms of the big bang theory.

http://creationontheweb.com/content/view/1570/


60 posted on 01/30/2009 12:35:49 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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