Posted on 02/01/2009 4:18:18 PM PST by Dada Orwell
And maybe New Orleans, LA?!
Well the court did hear it and ruled. Long and short, I don't see where the states have the right to pull out. From what I have read there is noting in the legislation admitting Texas to the Union giving it the right to secede. As far as I know there is nothing in the Constitution giving any state the right to secede, think there was a war over that so called right.
Montana is another. It's written into the agreement that incorporated Montana as a state. See http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/feb/25/montanans-insist-on-gun-rights
Oh (Slaps forehead). I thought you were talking about something that happened in our lifetime. :)
Thanks for a laugh.
The text provided was pretty clear cut... and as I said before would the Federal government go to war with a state that did secede...
I don’t think so, because should they attack former citizens a lot of other states would follow suit... and secede also... well except the northern states who like sucking on Uncle Sam’s teet.
Arizona has been kicking around a similar bill since 2000 or so.
NH has been overrun by those who couldn’t stand high taxes in MA, but are too stupid to realize that they were the reason for those high taxes.
-NJ Joe, from the red-state section of the People's State of New Jersey
Sorry Northern midwest states.. I was talking about the North East and North West States ;-)
View of the Constitution [posted earlier], was written in 1803 by St. George Tucker. Tucker had annotated Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England and put it in a pamphlet form at the behest of Congress. After it's first distribution, it became so popular with the People Congress had to request a second printing. This is the most pertinent paper written since it was closest to the Constitutional source.
James Kent (1826-1830) Commentaries on American Law
William Rawle (1829) A View of the Constitution
Joseph Story (1833) Commentaries on the Constitution
Also, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 10 mentions the Law of Nations, which are the laws of Nature as applied to Nations.
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BTW, pay close attention to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 when you're re-reading the Constitution. IMHO, the People have been lied to for generations about the meaning of that clause.
ROFLMAO!
I didn't even catch that.
You're quite welcome, BTW!
:-)
Bookmarked for some in depth reading... thanks again.
Read some of the legal sources in post #50, and then tell me there is no right to secede.
Yes, there was a war over it, but that doesn't mean there won't be a war over it again.
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Of the Simplicity of Criminal Laws in different Governments
In republican governments, men are all equal; equal they are also in despotic governments:
in the former, because they are everything; in the latter, because they are nothing.
THE SPIRIT OF LAWS Book VI By Charles de Secondat, Baron de Montesquieu
Goodness gracious—I of course meant to say too many BLUE precincts—not red!
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That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Would you perchance be interested in purchasing a bridge in Brooklyn?
Went to the Oklahoma City gun show this weekend. I would say everyone is going to bring their own.
By the way, out here on the plains, there are way more AR-15 for sale then FNs, M1 Garands, M1A/M14 types. Seems like they want more long range legs, out here in the Plains.
Oh, and ammo stocks are low...
So is New York.
As I understand it from things I read some years ago, there were several states whose ratification of the Constitution was contingent upon their right to secede from the Union.
New York was one of those.
And since the federal government was the creation [an agent] of the states, [technically] the states are in a superior position.
A little war between 1861-1865 kind of put an end to that sort of thinking, though.
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