Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

NH bill takes secessionist tone over expected Obama gun laws
RidleyReport.com ^

Posted on 02/01/2009 4:18:18 PM PST by Dada Orwell

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 161-165 next last
To: basil
Of course, the influx of Mexicans had something to do with that, too

And maybe New Orleans, LA?!

41 posted on 02/01/2009 6:28:05 PM PST by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: MamaTexan
The Supreme Court had no jurisdictional authority to hear Texas v. White.

Well the court did hear it and ruled. Long and short, I don't see where the states have the right to pull out. From what I have read there is noting in the legislation admitting Texas to the Union giving it the right to secede. As far as I know there is nothing in the Constitution giving any state the right to secede, think there was a war over that so called right.

42 posted on 02/01/2009 6:31:19 PM PST by engrpat (End the National Nightmare on 1-20-2013)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: basil
> Texas is one

Montana is another. It's written into the agreement that incorporated Montana as a state. See http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/feb/25/montanans-insist-on-gun-rights

43 posted on 02/01/2009 6:36:57 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Islander7

Oh (Slaps forehead). I thought you were talking about something that happened in our lifetime. :)
Thanks for a laugh.


44 posted on 02/01/2009 6:37:14 PM PST by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: engrpat

The text provided was pretty clear cut... and as I said before would the Federal government go to war with a state that did secede...

I don’t think so, because should they attack former citizens a lot of other states would follow suit... and secede also... well except the northern states who like sucking on Uncle Sam’s teet.


45 posted on 02/01/2009 6:37:50 PM PST by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Dada Orwell

Arizona has been kicking around a similar bill since 2000 or so.


46 posted on 02/01/2009 6:38:39 PM PST by Charles Martel (Liberals are the crab grass in the lawn of life.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: television is just wrong

NH has been overrun by those who couldn’t stand high taxes in MA, but are too stupid to realize that they were the reason for those high taxes.


47 posted on 02/01/2009 6:40:00 PM PST by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Dada Orwell
It's about time... I always liked New Hampshire's attitude toward these matters, but the influx of Massachusetts libs in the last decade has really skewed things up there. I hope they stick to their guns this time. (pun intended)

-NJ Joe, from the red-state section of the People's State of New Jersey

48 posted on 02/01/2009 6:40:17 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: AvOrdVet

Sorry Northern midwest states.. I was talking about the North East and North West States ;-)


49 posted on 02/01/2009 6:41:04 PM PST by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: AvOrdVet
To my knowledge, there were 4 Constituional Commentaries written:

View of the Constitution [posted earlier], was written in 1803 by St. George Tucker. Tucker had annotated Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England and put it in a pamphlet form at the behest of Congress. After it's first distribution, it became so popular with the People Congress had to request a second printing. This is the most pertinent paper written since it was closest to the Constitutional source.

James Kent (1826-1830) Commentaries on American Law

William Rawle (1829) A View of the Constitution

Joseph Story (1833) Commentaries on the Constitution

Also, Article 1, Section 8, Clause 10 mentions the Law of Nations, which are the laws of Nature as applied to Nations.

----

BTW, pay close attention to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 when you're re-reading the Constitution. IMHO, the People have been lied to for generations about the meaning of that clause.

50 posted on 02/01/2009 6:45:21 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am not a political, public, collective, corporate, administrative or legal entity)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: AvOrdVet
Should be... You’re Throwing up some good sources... my bad!

ROFLMAO!

I didn't even catch that.

You're quite welcome, BTW!

:-)

51 posted on 02/01/2009 6:47:28 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am not a political, public, collective, corporate, administrative or legal entity)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: MamaTexan
To my knowledge, there were 4 Constituional Commentaries written:

Bookmarked for some in depth reading... thanks again.

52 posted on 02/01/2009 6:53:07 PM PST by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: engrpat
As far as I know there is nothing in the Constitution giving any state the right to secede, think there was a war over that so called right.

Read some of the legal sources in post #50, and then tell me there is no right to secede.

Yes, there was a war over it, but that doesn't mean there won't be a war over it again.

-----

Of the Simplicity of Criminal Laws in different Governments
In republican governments, men are all equal; equal they are also in despotic governments:
in the former, because they are everything; in the latter, because they are nothing.

THE SPIRIT OF LAWS Book VI By Charles de Secondat, Baron de Montesquieu

53 posted on 02/01/2009 6:54:31 PM PST by MamaTexan (I am not a political, public, collective, corporate, administrative or legal entity)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: AvOrdVet

Goodness gracious—I of course meant to say too many BLUE precincts—not red!


54 posted on 02/01/2009 7:01:21 PM PST by basil ( It's time to eliminate all "Gun Free Zones")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: kalee

placemark


55 posted on 02/01/2009 7:05:41 PM PST by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: engrpat
How do you square the circle of "once in, always in" with these immortal words (that still send shivers down my spine)?

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

56 posted on 02/01/2009 7:08:10 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: MamaTexan
. In fact none of the 3 branches of the federal government can operate outside the areas of authority enumerated in the Constitution.

Would you perchance be interested in purchasing a bridge in Brooklyn?

57 posted on 02/01/2009 7:13:25 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: OrangeHoof
Who’s going to bring the muskets?

Went to the Oklahoma City gun show this weekend. I would say everyone is going to bring their own.

By the way, out here on the plains, there are way more AR-15 for sale then FNs, M1 Garands, M1A/M14 types. Seems like they want more long range legs, out here in the Plains.

Oh, and ammo stocks are low...

58 posted on 02/01/2009 7:51:25 PM PST by jonascord (Hurray! for the Bonny Blue Flag that bears the Single Star!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: basil

So is New York.


59 posted on 02/01/2009 7:59:16 PM PST by George Smiley (They're not drinking the Kool-Aid any more. Now they're eating it straight out of the packet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: AvOrdVet

As I understand it from things I read some years ago, there were several states whose ratification of the Constitution was contingent upon their right to secede from the Union.

New York was one of those.

And since the federal government was the creation [an agent] of the states, [technically] the states are in a superior position.

A little war between 1861-1865 kind of put an end to that sort of thinking, though.


60 posted on 02/01/2009 8:07:23 PM PST by George Smiley (They're not drinking the Kool-Aid any more. Now they're eating it straight out of the packet.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 ... 161-165 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson