Posted on 02/01/2009 4:18:18 PM PST by Dada Orwell
From RidleyReport.com New Hampshire reps try to draw new lines in the sand against expected Federal gun laws.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoXqaGZuxkE
http://www.whistlestopper.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1294509#post1294509
This will happen sooner or later, given the the lib tendencies to think that they are the only ones who have the correct answers.
Actually, I've heard some rumblings about doing just that around my town.
Anyone know what the other ones are? I’m moving to one of those. Only half joking.
Count me in. Who’s going to bring the muskets?
I knew about Texas but did not know of states that had that arrangement. Hehehehe. The way things are going I’m all for it. Muskets are at the ready.
That would be one way to get a lot of folks to move to your area, secede.(Kansas are are listing?) Just think, no more SS tax, no FDIC tax. Keep those taxes for the state that secedes and also cut welfare.(chase out slackers) That would become one productive state!
I'm sure a volunteer army would also be easy to establish, paid for by those fed taxes no longer going to the welfare country, the USSA. Oh, and no shortage of deer rifles.
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We tried that a while back. Didn’t work out quite like we’d hoped.
What happened?
I once thought the same as you but have done some research. Another poster sent me this:
Joining the “ Union” was ever and always voluntary, rendering voluntary withdrawal an equally lawful and viable option (regardless of what any self-appointed academic, media, or government “experts”—including Abraham Lincoln himself—may have ever said).
Guess you better add the Supreme Court to that list.
In Texas v. White (74 U.S. 700, 1869), the Supreme Court said:
"The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States. When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States."
http://supreme.justia.com/us/74/700/case.html
So once in, always in.
We had a nasty little war.
The Republic of Texas supposedly put in their treaty when they joined the United States a right to secede. Now, it would be just like the U.S. Supreme Court to turn that entirely on its head - the same way a right to practice religion somehow turned into a right to prohibit religion.
But Texas has open ports, has natural resources - including oil, has their own electricity grid separate from the rest of the U.S. and plenty of land for agriculture and, of course, raising cattle. In other words, Texas could survive quite well as its own nation.
I know some liberal will point out that Texas takes more in federal money than it sends to Washington but I tend to ascribe that to smarter congressmen who know how to bring back the bacon.
When Hurricane Ike hit, you didn’t see Texans act like a bunch of welfare cases waiting around for Uncle Sam to arrive with trailers and debit cards. Most scraped themselves off, fixed their homes and went back to work. But when Katrina hit, Texans took in more Louisianan transplants than any other state and many of them chose to stay.
So, I’m serious. If Texas can make a peaceful secession from the U.S., I’m all for it. I felt that way even before the most recent election. I’m tired of people from Massachussetts, California and New York telling us how we ought to live. It’s bad enough that many of them move down here.
No reason to stay in a bad marriage that is only going to get worse.
Texas, Montana and I think there are a couple more, I’ll have to check into that, but should the crap hit the fan, I’m back in the great Republic of Texas!
Hopefully secession would be smoother than the last time.
The Union's got nukes now.
but they all voted this guy in? What gives. O did win NH.
No state has anything in its respective Constitution that allows for legal secession. This is a urban legend, especially in the case of Texas, that simply refuses to die.
Here's what it has to say about secession:
Texas does not have the right to secede, any more than any other state does. Which is not to say that Texas, or any other state, can't secede if it has a mind to; after all, 11 states did back in 1861. Many modern Texans have the vague idea - as did most secessionists - that because Texas entered as a former republic, it retained the right to leave the Union if it saw fit. However, no such clause appears in the congressional act authorizing Texas to join the Union. Because it was once independent, because it at one time did secede from the Union, and because its ideology is far different from that of the rest of the US, Texas has always clung to the idea of a guaranteed right of secession as a mark of its specialness and as a source of reassurance in case all else fails.
One privilege Texas does reserve, and a condition that appears in the resolution approving its statehood, is the option to subdivide itself into as many as four states (a total of five). But Texas is more likely to leave the Union again than to fragment its identity and its land.
I think the biggest problem for the U.S. is that the states agreed to come into the U.S. under the U.S. Constitution and if the Federal Government reneges on the Constitutional provisions the “contract” would be broken allowing the state to secede.
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