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To: Dada Orwell
There are several states that can secede according to the conditions they agreed to before coming into the Union. I don't know all of them, but Texas is one.

Actually, I've heard some rumblings about doing just that around my town.

3 posted on 02/01/2009 4:27:35 PM PST by basil ( It's time to eliminate all "Gun Free Zones")
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To: basil

Anyone know what the other ones are? I’m moving to one of those. Only half joking.


4 posted on 02/01/2009 4:37:17 PM PST by mojitojoe
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To: basil

Count me in. Who’s going to bring the muskets?


5 posted on 02/01/2009 4:38:27 PM PST by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: basil

I knew about Texas but did not know of states that had that arrangement. Hehehehe. The way things are going I’m all for it. Muskets are at the ready.


7 posted on 02/01/2009 4:48:48 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: basil
There are several states that can secede according to the conditions they agreed to before coming into the Union.

I once thought the same as you but have done some research. Another poster sent me this:

Joining the “ Union” was ever and always voluntary, rendering voluntary withdrawal an equally lawful and viable option (regardless of what any self-appointed academic, media, or government “experts”—including Abraham Lincoln himself—may have ever said).

Guess you better add the Supreme Court to that list.

In Texas v. White (74 U.S. 700, 1869), the Supreme Court said:

"The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States. When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation. All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States."

http://supreme.justia.com/us/74/700/case.html

So once in, always in.

12 posted on 02/01/2009 5:12:51 PM PST by engrpat (End the National Nightmare on 1-20-2013)
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To: basil
> Texas is one

Montana is another. It's written into the agreement that incorporated Montana as a state. See http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/feb/25/montanans-insist-on-gun-rights

43 posted on 02/01/2009 6:36:57 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: basil

So is New York.


59 posted on 02/01/2009 7:59:16 PM PST by George Smiley (They're not drinking the Kool-Aid any more. Now they're eating it straight out of the packet.)
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To: basil

States don’t have the right to secede....Abraham Lincoln established that principle back in 1865. Remember that the total is greater than the sum of its parts!


65 posted on 02/01/2009 8:23:59 PM PST by ChrisInAR
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To: basil

Montana is another one.


72 posted on 02/01/2009 9:01:44 PM PST by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: basil
There are several states that can secede according to the conditions they agreed to before coming into the Union. I don't know all of them, but Texas is one.

New York, Virginia and Rhode Island made that deal when they joined the union. Despite popular belief Texas did not make such a deal. It's all moot now though since the civil war made secession de facto illegal.

89 posted on 02/02/2009 6:55:36 AM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: basil
There are several states that can secede according to the conditions they agreed to before coming into the Union. I don't know all of them, but Texas is one.

Technically, EVERY state has the right to secession, as an unenumerated 10th amendment right. This is true, regardless of the bogus 1869 SCOTUS ruling to the contrary.

Of course, being able to follow through on it is a different matter.

111 posted on 02/02/2009 9:01:55 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: basil

Then why didn’t we get to leave during the Civil War?


117 posted on 02/02/2009 9:33:25 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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